Did you not read my post or just not comprehend it? I said who cares! Much more seriousl crimes have happened in sport. I never said OJ was on the same level. I do however find it amusing that OJ has his Heisman and Reggie doesn't. Ha! I guess WI thinks it's serious enough to pull her award.
No one's talking about taking an award that she won in the past away from her. Of course OJ still has his Heisman.
But this is about a current award named after a supposed 'role model' you want to give that named award to some young girl, whose Dad may have banged Suzy Hamilton for money?
Baby man wrote:
UNFAIR! Can't erase her running accomplishments. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Shame for the action of a committee who has the inability to discern separate events or understand the difficulties of being a human being.
I agree that protest is in order. Hope that a good lesson is learned and that social concern makes this unfairness right.
Hitler was a good painter before his political rise, but we don't give Hitler art awards. Hard to discern separate events sometime.
Suzy was already dropped by Disney World, and by Wisconsin Potato, Leak & Kumquat Producers.......why not the Big 10?
Larry Dickman wrote:
Baby man wrote:UNFAIR! Can't erase her running accomplishments. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Shame for the action of a committee who has the inability to discern separate events or understand the difficulties of being a human being.
I agree that protest is in order. Hope that a good lesson is learned and that social concern makes this unfairness right.
Hitler was a good painter before his political rise, but we don't give Hitler art awards. Hard to discern separate events sometime.
Hitler was and remains an icon for humanities horror.Suzie was a great athlete. Suzie made her marks, and those that feel like killing her athletic achievements because she went sexually ballistic will not see the truth of her achievements. She was great.. and I hope her greatness doesn't get confused with demonic interference.
If it was a man cheating on his wife, it wouldn't even be news.[/quote]
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If some man was a male prostitue than most certainly they would drop his name from the award.
Baby man wrote:
UNFAIR! Can't erase her running accomplishments. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Shame for the action of a committee who has the inability to discern separate events or understand the difficulties of being a human being.
I agree that protest is in order. Hope that a good lesson is learned and that social concern makes this unfairness right.
This was my reaction at first, but then I thought about Lance Armstrong, Joe Paterno, etc.
Double Standard wrote:
Baby man wrote:UNFAIR! Can't erase her running accomplishments. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Shame for the action of a committee who has the inability to discern separate events or understand the difficulties of being a human being.
I agree that protest is in order. Hope that a good lesson is learned and that social concern makes this unfairness right.
This was my reaction at first, but then I thought about Lance Armstrong, Joe Paterno, etc.
Those are completely unrelated. Suzie might have hurt those close to her, but no harm or unfair abuse was inflicted to multitudes of innocent people nor did she unfairly cheat and manipulate the system for personal gain. In fact technically what she was doing wasn't illeagal.
Last I heard, prostitution is still illegal in Clark County, NV.
Baby man wrote:
Double Standard wrote:This was my reaction at first, but then I thought about Lance Armstrong, Joe Paterno, etc.
Those are completely unrelated. Suzie might have hurt those close to her, but no harm or unfair abuse was inflicted to multitudes of innocent people nor did she unfairly cheat and manipulate the system for personal gain. In fact technically what she was doing wasn't illeagal.
Sorry. An award named for a girl selling her body for money indicates the necessity for a change. I don't feel sorry for her, and she doesn't need my sorrow. She needs therapy.
"Big Ten" sounds like an award specific to a male prostitute.
Perhaps lots of people do, still doesn't nor shouldn't negate her triumphs. A champion in one arena and a struggle in another. Seems fair to say this, my friend, is the human condition.
Let me put it another way. Say a prostitute who comes to find the virtues of world class whatever, fill in the blank, e.g. Pianist, dancer, actress, Nobel prize winner, Olympic medalist, will and should be praised for the accomplishment. On merit of her hard work, talent etc, but for Suzie the order is reversed and so some wish to erase her earned credit based on her choice to do her deal. Now from my perspective this cant nor should take her remarkable achievements from the stage of history. Some choose to confuse these events, but I just do not.
Hitler's art was not that good, the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna rejected him twice. Any school with a track team would given Suzy a scholarship. (She has an art degree from UW)
Comparsion of Suzy to murderers and drug cheats is way off target. I would compare her more with Tiger Woods or Charlie Sheen
Baby man wrote:
Perhaps lots of people do, still doesn't nor shouldn't negate her triumphs. A champion in one arena and a struggle in another. Seems fair to say this, my friend, is the human condition.
POD.
Nobody is trying to erase her accomplishments. She was a great runner. Nothing changes there. The bottom line is you can't give an award out in her name. The Big Ten made the right choice and only choice. She was the one who sullied her name. Who would want to win an award named after a call girl and a complete head case to boot?
The attmept isn't necessarily to compare her to people who commit murder or attrocities. It's an attempt to determine whether people are absolutists or relativists. Someone who is genuinely an absolutist could argue that NO MATTER WHAT else she has done or will do in her life, past, present or future, her athletic achievements should be enough for us to agree the Big 10 award should have her name on it. One sphere of her life should not ever be confused with another. Many people on this board have expressed this view. So, they similarly would argue that were she to do something indescribably horrible, no matter how bad it was, the Big 10 should still give out the award in her name. This is an idealistic position of the young, usually.Almost everyone, though, is a relativist, and we believe that certain lines shouldn't be crossed. Notice that her admission that she deliberately threw herself to the ground towards the end of an Olympic final apparently didn't lead to calls for the award's name to be changed. For many, however, she crossed the line with her escort exploits and we agree that No, no future female athlete should be burdened with an award that has her name on it.To those of you who say the award acknowledges her athletic achievements and nothing else, Come on, what world do you live in?
Godwin wrote:
Hitler's art was not that good, the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna rejected him twice. Any school with a track team would given Suzy a scholarship. (She has an art degree from UW)
Comparsion of Suzy to murderers and drug cheats is way off target. I would compare her more with Tiger Woods or Charlie Sheen
Try and find just one person that has a perfect mold. You will be searching for eternity. I think it better to celebrate and call honer to the greatness a person has been rather to get caught up on the difficulties they may have created latter. I can continue to make this point, but a puritanical mind might never change his or her thinking.
In my view, Americans are hell bent on puritanical perfection and idealism that they become blind to the ways of humanity. Sad to have such a collection of rigid minded idealists, zealots and simplistic souls. Sorry to be insulting.
Forgiveness of others is to forgive one's self. We are all complex and filled with paradox and conflicts. We all are imperfect beings and to suggest otherwise is a fallacy of reason and experience.
We must move past this type of idealism, because it is a false way of seeing people for all the things they truly are.
I know we all have our faults and problems to deal with. I am not judging her . What she does with her life has no bearing on me. I wish her the best.
With that said the big 10 can not give out an award in her name.Plain and simple. It would not be fair to the recipient.Again no one is saying they should erase her titles and records. They will always be there.
Why? Give me a reason.
Fred Gwynne wrote:
I know we all have our faults and problems to deal with. I am not judging her . What she does with her life has no bearing on me. I wish her the best.
With that said the big 10 can not give out an award in her name.Plain and simple. It would not be fair to the recipient.Again no one is saying they should erase her titles and records. They will always be there.