Change @ Park wrote:
Lesson #1 - the marathon is comprised of 2 equal parts - the first 20 miles and the final 6.2.
+1
And this guy is unprepared for the second part.
Change @ Park wrote:
Lesson #1 - the marathon is comprised of 2 equal parts - the first 20 miles and the final 6.2.
+1
And this guy is unprepared for the second part.
Go for 3:00. You'll thank me later.
i paid, might as well race... wrote:
I was originally hoping to run close to 2:40 flat for my first marathon, which is in two-ish weeks.
However I ended up losing a good three+ weeks of quality training (end of April into May) with anemia...I could hardly run 40 minutes at an easy pace, so training hard wasn't happening.
My iron levels are more or less sorted out, but I'm very much behind in training now and still have to take a lot of recovery days in between workouts to feel decent. My workouts have just been a short fartlek and a 10-12 mile progression run averaging 6:30 pace, which I've done for about 3 weeks averaging maybe 60 mpw.
At the end of this time, right when I first started taking iron, I ran a 10k and only managed a 37:20, which yeah...pretty damn slow. However, two weeks later (and about two weeks ago, now) I ran a 10 mile race in 57:55, going through 10k in 35:25.(Big surprise given the training I've been doing!) and today I did a 13 mile tempo run @ 6:20 pace.
My concern in the marathon is the distance...I simply know I'm not prepared to run a good, hard 26.2 miles off of 60 mpw w/ long runs of 15-16 miles, which is all I've been able to consistently do since the anemia problems.
I don't know what goal to go for?
Based on my 10 mile time and today's run, is it conceivable I could break 2:50 for the marathon, even with admittedly inadequate endurance for the distance?
You haven't told us what course. It matters.
Give yourself the best chance to not crash after mile 18.
Go out in 8:00 for the first mile then take the next 9 miles to work down and feel good at 7:00 pace.
If you are feeling good at halfway you will have adrenaline rush than start moving but not in attack mode until at least the last 4 miles.
My first marathon I thought I was anywhere between 2:17-(optimistic) and 2:22 and went out in 5:15 and 1:08:40 at halfway and every mile after that was a struggle and the last 3 miles were a nightmare. I was running 7:00 minute pace by then.
For a first marathon take it extra easy. The last 5 miles are going to be hard no matter what but if you can hold pace and not crash you will have a nice day and get experience.
Asking because I care wrote:
You haven't told us what course. It matters.
Post your name too. I want to look up your results so I can witness the crash.
Fundee wrote:
Post your name too. I want to look up your results so I can witness the crash.
You are a strange, annoying little person.
For less dickish folks asking, it's a flat course.
Grandma's, I'd guess.
So you got your advice. Whatcha gonna do?
Weinsenverger wrote:
Grandma's, I'd guess.
So you got your advice. Whatcha gonna do?
Go out a little over 2:50 pace (1:27 or so maybe) and then see what I can do. I have a solid sense of effort, so if it's obvious I'm pushing too hard, I can always back off. I'd be pretty mad if I didn't break 3:00, so that always was sort of the main goal once I knew I wouldn't be in shape. If I can put myself in a position to do anything else, that'd just be icing on the cake.
Of course I might end up being like so many others who run a marathon and get too excited at the beginning and totally blow it, but I'm going to try to avoid doing anything stupid in the first couple of miles.
If you'd be disappointed with over 3:00 and you're not sure you're in 2:50 shape then you'd be better off aiming for 3:00 and hoping to pick up some time after 20 miles if you're feeling good rather than aiming for 2:50 and paying the price, like over 3:00, if you're not up to it. Being a little bit wrong about pace early in a marathon often means missing your goal by a lot at the end.
I got to agree with this guy. The training run means nothing. It does appear that you fell off the pace at the end of the 10 miler. I say shoot for 3:00. 1:27 at the half is likely too aggressive given your lack of endurance (based on training and recent 10 miler).
Logicifier wrote:
It's silly to base your goal time on training runs. Toss that part out. However, given that you even died at the end of your 10 miler, you just don't have the endurance.
3:00+
i paid, might as well race... wrote:I was originally hoping to run close to 2:40 flat for my first marathon, which is in two-ish weeks.
However I ended up losing a good three+ weeks of quality training (end of April into May) with anemia...I could hardly run 40 minutes at an easy pace, so training hard wasn't happening.
My iron levels are more or less sorted out, but I'm very much behind in training now and still have to take a lot of recovery days in between workouts to feel decent. My workouts have just been a short fartlek and a 10-12 mile progression run averaging 6:30 pace, which I've done for about 3 weeks averaging maybe 60 mpw.
At the end of this time, right when I first started taking iron, I ran a 10k and only managed a 37:20, which yeah...pretty damn slow. However, two weeks later (and about two weeks ago, now) I ran a 10 mile race in 57:55, going through 10k in 35:25.(Big surprise given the training I've been doing!) and today I did a 13 mile tempo run @ 6:20 pace.
My concern in the marathon is the distance...I simply know I'm not prepared to run a good, hard 26.2 miles off of 60 mpw w/ long runs of 15-16 miles, which is all I've been able to consistently do since the anemia problems.
I don't know what goal to go for?
Based on my 10 mile time and today's run, is it conceivable I could break 2:50 for the marathon, even with admittedly inadequate endurance for the distance?
2:50 (1:24/1:26)
Got out faster than intended but felt super easy, so whatever. Got excited and ran too fast 14-17, paid for it 22-26. Still, fairly pleased given the circumstances outlined earlier in the thread. Except the last 3 miles at 7:30 pace, it wasn't all that stressful.
Takeaway lesson: it is indeed perfectly possible to "respect the distance" without jogging your first marathon or shooting for an especially slow time.
i paid, might as well race wrote:
2:50 (1:24/1:26)
Got out faster than intended but felt super easy, so whatever. Got excited and ran too fast 14-17, paid for it 22-26. Still, fairly pleased given the circumstances outlined earlier in the thread. Except the last 3 miles at 7:30 pace, it wasn't all that stressful.
Takeaway lesson: it is indeed perfectly possible to "respect the distance" without jogging your first marathon or shooting for an especially slow time.
Who told you 2:50 wasn't slow?
Congrats. If you had run Grandma's, you could have almost cracked the top 15...women.
LOLZ
say who? wrote:
Who told you 2:50 wasn't slow?
Never made any claims of being great. I was happy with it, i.e. "not slow for me"
2:50 is great, well done.