Anyone Interested In Training Schedule of a former 3:36 1500m Runner?

I'll second the guy above me-look at this session "2x(500, 400, 300, 200, 100), 1x(400, 300, 200, 100) with equal distance jog between reps/3 minutes rest between sets in (1:12.5, 58, 42.5, 27.6, 13.5)(1:12.0, 57.8.0, 41.0, 26.0, 12.5)(54.9, 40.9, 25.8, 12.low)"

And this: "10x300 meters with 1:30 rest avg: 39.0" That is 3000m of work at 1:44.0 pace with short recovery-off that workout i could have seen him under 1:45.

He often did sprints after tempo's/workouts so he seems to have good raw speed and awesome strength. 1:44 could have been possible.

with 200m jog workout in

nice try guy wrote:

pasta guy wrote:

He ran 1:46 indoors...

Are you really THAT stupid? There's no way anyone in the world could be prepared to run 1:45 on that training.

The OP is a troll.

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He ran 15x200m in 26.XX with 200m jog between. Average pace of 12x200m with 200m jog rest is a good indicator workout for 800m pace potential, and this workout was run pre taper.

Thanks for sharing this, have been coaching high school distance kids for 25 years and use this type of training for my 800 to 3200 kids. This has a lot of Bowerman in it. Now I do not have them do as many miles or run that fast but this schedule is very good and could be done by any level. I had a 1:52 800 kid and 4:19 kid both progessively improved through out the season along with my 4:55, 2:12, 10:49 girl. The 1:52 kid also ran a 4:18 and a 9:29, the 4:19 kid ran a 9:46 and 1:55. My lower level kids also improved. Our 4x800 ran 7:54.

I use Bowerman stuff due to it keeps kids from redlining too much which in turn keeps them healthy. I think doing speed/interval training twice a week is enough. I see so many coaches run there kids into the ground due to insecurity in there training. Easy runs are just as important. I also like that this guy did strides consistently.

Monty

P.S. I would also be curious to know who this was. I ran in the 80s but was not a mid distance guy more 10k to Thon.

Ran out of time, but I tried to cross reference those times and didn't come up with anything. Doesn't appear to be American, unless there's a record missing. 1:46i and 7:42i are pretty crazy times to have together. 3:36 doesn't seem to align with those. More like 3:33 or less.

Someone take it away:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800ok.htm

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_3000ok.htm

This is total b.s. He never once had a down day (injured, sick, sore, etc.) Plus, that tempo run after races is a new Salazar training technique.

guy was a beast. his speed sessions are indicative of 1:44high, especially the 15x200 in 26.x with just a 200 jog. I have run that workout and could not do it at 800meter pace and i am a 1:49 guy. He was worth low 13:20s for sure at the end of his taper as well.

Where in the training logs did he keep track of his EPO and Doping schedule?

You're an idiot. I was doing tempos after races as far back as 2006. Maybe Salazar stole it from me??

if this was 60s, 70s or 80s then it makes sense he didnt take off days. People were running 200mpw and werent pus*ies back then...

also, salazar didnt invent everything you meat lovers pizza... he learned most of what he knows from dellinger, who learned from bowerman. This is a total bowerman schedule. Used to do this stuff all the time in the 70s

Alltime-athletics has 53 1:45.98 800m runs in history coming from 50 runners. None of those 50 runners ran 3:36.1 three weeks after running 1:45.98. Not sure how rock solid alltime-athletics is for meets 30-40 years ago though.

Thanks, a lot for taking the time to post this. Regardless of what the others are saying, this was an insightful post and gives some nice ideas for training and periodization. As a former Bowerman pupil I can shed some light in saying that 95% of his training is 70s Oregon influenced. Very impressed that you dug this up - lots of boys I know were doing very similar stuff and running well under 4 minutes indoors.

callingbs wrote:

This is total b.s. He never once had a down day (injured, sick, sore, etc.) Plus, that tempo run after races is a new Salazar training technique.

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Wrong... My god, Salazar didn't invent this. We did workouts after races in the 80s and so did others.

I coached an athlete for 3 years who never missed a day. It is very common for a runner to run for a season and not miss a workout.

Is the mystery runner, Steve Agar dual citizen of Canada/Dominican?

PRs 3:36.36 in 1998 and 7:48.33 also in 1998?

But I see no 1:46 800 from him.

David Torrence seems to be an even better fit.

Total b.s. Not one single morning run (double day). Not one single sick, sore, injured day.

Times are unverified on all-time lists.

Name one program other than Salazar's NOP that does tempo runs after races. Name one program that includes tempo runs after races but never does morning runs (doubles).

How many guys in have PRs of 1:45:98 800m and 13:30 5000m?

This is total b.s.

Sat: 3.25 warmup + 800m Race in 1:45.98 PR!, then 4.25m Tempo in 20:05 (4:43 pace), 2 cooldown (10)

Sun: Easy 16 miles

Someone check the all-time for all the guys with 1:45:98 800m times. Then figure out who has the 1500/3000/5000 times to back up that 800m time. I guarantee that the person does not exist.

Why is the whole "tempo runs after races" so unbelievable to everybody? We were doing that in high school.

I ran under Dellinger at Oregon back in my day. He was the one who came up with (most likely) the whole workout after the race ordeal. This guy looks like a total Dellinger creation. I always was doing 3-5k worth of intervals after a race of 1500m-3000m. After 800's, we would get in a tempo. From my understanding, guys used to feel so fresh during their cooldowns that they ramped the pace down, and eventually turned into doing actual structured tempo runs.

Also, in my opinion, there is no point in doubling as a 60-70mpw runner. I RARELY doubled, other than an occasional 10 or 12 minute shakeout in the morning at 8 minute pace which I didn't even count as mileage.

Lastly, why is it so hard to believe that he ran a tempo after an 800 when Galen Rupp recently ran a 4:40 paced tempo after his mile.

OP Here:

I definitely did not mean to cause the stir on this board that I did, I was simply trying to provide some useful information. For the sake of privacy, I thought it was in everyone's best interest that I try and keep this anonymous. For that reason, I varied race times, though by within 0.1-1.0 seconds of actual times, to try and keep you all from doing exactly what you are doing now. I thought that you all could appreciate a schedule for a schedule, adopt some new ideas or workouts, and be done with it without all the speculation and nastiness. It took me a very long time to dig all this up, and translate an old handwritten log to the computer. It would mean a lot if you all ended your rude remarks and harsh speculation and simply appreciated a detailed look at a man's training.