bangalangadanga wrote:
Why is Ed Cheserek being listed as a sub 1:50 guy?
Because he has run under 1:50
bangalangadanga wrote:
Why is Ed Cheserek being listed as a sub 1:50 guy?
Because he has run under 1:50
Who do you think will be Top 3 in the Girl's Race? Times?
Mary Cain 3:59.9
Cheserek wins this by a good margin.
what has cheserek run outdoors this year?
arroyo seems to have the most athleticism, and combined with the fitness to run 8:51 (alone, right?), i don't see him getting beat...unless he races like an idiot and gives the race away. he's the 5 star favorite.
i'm the most impressed with saarel. at this point, there isn't much magic in running sub 4:00 in the mile anymore. sure, not many have done it, but it'd be a lot more interesting to see some of these kids running at Pre like webb did when he got pulled to a 3:53.
half these kids can break 4:00 if they are in the right race. the "dream mile" ain't very dreamy unless it's stacked with a bunch of collegians in 3:55-4:00 shape to ensure it's fast.
First of all, Cheserek just split 1:49.4 a week and a half ago
Plus he has run 8:39 for two miles or 8:36 for 3200, not some adjusted to altitude mark, PLUS a 4:02 mile indoors last year, plus he has run uner 1:50.00 for 800M scratch
the notion that he may not run under four compared to the rest of this field is as insane as saying someone else would.
Not one of these guys would drop him unless he runs like a maniac
Then I go to Montoya, who has already shown he can close in this race, or Arroya
Race should be fast. Rabbit (Garrett O' Toole) is set to go out in 1:57. He's a 3:53 guy, so it shouldn't be a problem taking it through 1200 at least.
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Rabbiting a 1:57 makes as much sense as those London Marathon pacers going through the half in 61:30. Same result.
Sva3200folife wrote:
Ya I can definitely see your point there, it was more of a sentimental pick for me because I know the oklahoma coach who is giving burcham a full ride
...you sound pretty dumb, bro.
There is some misunderstanding here and many places regarding who is the fastest finisher. Just because one runner may have a faster 800 time does not necessarily mean that he can win the race in the last 100-200 meters.
Look at it this way, the pace for a 1:47 is only 53.5 seconds per 400 which translates roughly to 13.12 for 100. Everyone and their brother can run a 13.12 off a running start.
In my opinion, this race will come down to the last 100 meters and the fastest sprinter wins it (of those that are close enough).
Maybe that's Montoya, maybe it's Arroyo, maybe it's Saarel (who we've seen outkick Montoya twice already).
Watch and see, the fastest in the last 100 will win -- just like almost every other national / elite caliber race.
True, but 1:47 really translates to easy running at 59x pace for 4 laps. Arroyo has also run 48x
domestic pro wrote:
arroyo seems to have the most athleticism, and combined with the fitness to run 8:51 (alone, right?), i don't see him getting beat...unless he races like an idiot and gives the race away. he's the 5 star favorite.
Because athleticism makes you a faster runner? Have we even seen Arroyo really race this year? Sure, he's a boss, but we don't know how he'll react when tested.
Cheserek will surprise a lot of folks and win in 3:59-4:00. Montoya will not be in it at the end.
I wouldn't count Blake Haney out of the top-5. Has similar closing speed to Montoya. He's only a junior, so regardless of his finish this year I think he's the clear favorite in 2014.
Kicker wrote:
Watch and see, the fastest in the last 100 will win
Not so.
The fastest over the entire distance always wins.
True. And i think randon will definitely make the top 5 he runs extremely smart races and he always puts himself in the right spot to finish well. He will definitely be there at the end. But I don't think he will be able to outkick arroyo, saarel, motoya, mcgorty, malone, or cheserek, but i don't think all of them will be there in the end.
Cheserek is going to win this by a lot and break 4 minutes. People forget that Cheserek was way over raced last year and also got off to the terrible start at last years Dream Mile. Cheserek has changed his race tactics this year to sitting and kicking. He dropped McGorty by like 5 seconds in the final 500m of Foot Locker and I think his speed and strength are improving. It crazy to me that a guy who has not lost since last years Dream Mile is not the heavy favorite. The fact that he didn't break 4 last year was 100% his coach over racing him. His only mission this Spring is to break 4 minutes. We have never seen a HS runner before with the balance of speed and endurance that Cheserek was gifted. He just split a 1:49.4 last week and has broken both 8:40 and 14 minutes indoors. Imagine if he focused on just one of these events like most of these guys? I don't think in a race like this he can gun for Webb's record, but I do think he can gun for Jim Ryun's HS only record of 3:58.3.
Remember him competing against Montoya and Sareel in that mile earlier this season? Me neither.
There are a lot of 1:47 guys who were not 4 (until they got better).
I;m betting on Saarel winning it. He's got a nasty kick, beat the defending champ head to head, and I just like him because he was unknown to LRC before this track season.
If not him then Arroyo will probably get it.