Tiger Woods will NEVER win another major

Mr. Boombastic wrote:

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I do not think that Phil will ever win another major for entirely different reasons than Tiger. Phil is simply no longer good enough. Tiger is a much better player at this time (as he has been for virtually all of the last however many years). Tiger is also more than five years younger than Phil - a huge advantage at this point in giving Tiger more of a shot than Phil to win a major again.

Hmmmmm...

You are correct is pointing out that my belief that Phil would never win another major turned out to be incorrect.

Did you have some kind of point?

...in pointing out...

HE NEEDS TO BANG MORE BABES. HE WAS DOING SO WELL WHILE BANGING BABES ON THE REGULAR.

Simply pointing out that some of your assertions in this thread are ridiculous, particularly your belief that Phil no longer has the talent to win a major. My point is that IMHO your assertion that Tiger will not win another major is similarly flawed.

Mr. Boombastic wrote:

Simply pointing out that some of your assertions in this thread are ridiculous, particularly your belief that Phil no longer has the talent to win a major. My point is that IMHO your assertion that Tiger will not win another major is similarly flawed.

Duly noted.

Of course, my take on Mickelson was based upon golf talent and skill. I do not pretend to have a great deal of expertise in the sport. My 'expertise' if I may call it that lies more in the field of human nature and reading people's body language. I stand by my prediction, and the point of this thread, that Tiger will never win another major (and not because he does not have the skill/talent/etc).

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With the close of the 2013 Golf Majors calendar, I crunched some numbers to get an idea as to what Tiger's prospects look like going forward:

Starting with Jack's last major win at the '86 Masters, there have been 112 Majors contested. The average winners age over those 112 tournaments is just a shade over 33.0 years old, which aligns pretty well with Tiger's age (about 32.5) when he won his last Major in '08. Woods will be about 38.25 when he tees it up in Augusta next April...out of the last 112 Major winners, 18 have been that age or older and 12 of those 18 have been 40.0 or older. The next 2-3 years are huge for Woods if he wants to catch & pass Jack's record. At the very least, I think he has to win 2 more Majors through the 2016 season in order to give himself a realistic chance to ultimately get to 19 Major wins; which he'd then be able to do with 3 more wins over the 5 year period when he's 41-45 years of age. Keep in mind, over these last 112 Majors, only Mark O'Meara has won more than 1 Major once he turned 40 - with two wins in 1998 when he was about 41.25-41.50 years of age.

I'm a big Nicklaus fan and don't care for Woods at all. However, realistically speaking, he still has a fair amount of time to do it and he is the #1 player in the world, but he needs to start translating that to Major wins sooner than later if he wants to break Jack's record.

Tiger is arguably the GOAT golfer. As a pro he is the top money winner with more majors than any active golfer, and more titles. The metric of majors won is unfair. Tiger plays in a different competitive era than the one Jack faced. Also the technological advances in the game have neutralized many of the the advantages Tiger brought to the course. Golf is a game, but within the game a great athlete like Tiger, can lose any given tournament by a stroke or two to far lesser athletes. Tiger could play well into his 40's given the nature of golf. He may well beat the record number of majors won, but if he doesn't he isn't diminished in any way. I like his apprioach to the game. He is competitive everytime out. He is a winner.

Thanks for crunching the numbers. I always appreciate solid analysis.

nn wrote:

Tiger is arguably the GOAT golfer. As a pro he is the top money winner with more majors than any active golfer, and more titles. The metric of majors won is unfair. Tiger plays in a different competitive era than the one Jack faced. Also the technological advances in the game have neutralized many of the the advantages Tiger brought to the course. Golf is a game, but within the game a great athlete like Tiger, can lose any given tournament by a stroke or two to far lesser athletes. Tiger could play well into his 40's given the nature of golf. He may well beat the record number of majors won, but if he doesn't he isn't diminished in any way. I like his apprioach to the game. He is competitive everytime out. He is a winner.

I agree with much of what you say.

In my opinion, at his peak Tiger was the greatest golfer who ever lived. He remains the best the golfer in the world. And even if, as I predict, he never wins another major he is no diminished in any way as an all-time great competitor.

One thing that I disagree with is your comment that, "The metric of majors won is unfair." It is Tiger's own chosen metric. As such, it is difficult for me to buy into the notion that it is an unfair one.

Appears to me, that Tiger is dominating the top 50. He's won 8 tournaments in two years. This includes The Players Championship, which all the guys on tour consider the 5th major. He also won two World Golf Championships, which are tournaments that include the top 50 players in the world, and are difficult wins.

This is what is going to happen: Tiger will win one next year, then he will go on a run, and eventually tie Nicklaus. Tiger will finish with something like this:

18 majors

3 U.S. Amateurs

20+ World Golf Championships (fields as tough as the majors)

2+ Players Championships (fields as tough as the majors)

100+ PGA Tour Victories

He's too good not to win another major. The only thing that will derail him is a career-ending injury or doing something stupid again like that whole fiasco in 2009.

nn wrote:

Tiger is arguably the GOAT golfer. As a pro he is the top money winner with more majors than any active golfer, and more titles. The metric of majors won is unfair. Tiger plays in a different competitive era than the one Jack faced. Also the technological advances in the game have neutralized many of the the advantages Tiger brought to the course. Golf is a game, but within the game a great athlete like Tiger, can lose any given tournament by a stroke or two to far lesser athletes. Tiger could play well into his 40's given the nature of golf. He may well beat the record number of majors won, but if he doesn't he isn't diminished in any way. I like his apprioach to the game. He is competitive everytime out. He is a winner.

I wouldn't say he was competitive at all at the PGA Championship...he was mediocre at best.

Also, while I'd acknowledge that the depth of the talent pool is greater today than at anytime in the past, the cream really rises at the majors and that's where Nicklaus had to contend with far more all-timers than Tiger has had to deal with thus far. For example, take 4 or more major wins as the cut-off and you'd see that Nicklaus had to get through Player (9 majors), Watson (8 majors), Palmer (7 majors), Trevino (6 majors), Seve (5 majors), Ray Floyd (4 majors) during different stretches of his career whereas Tiger has had to deal with Mickelson (5 majors) and Els (4 majors) during his career. If you want to drop the cut-off to 3 majors, Tiger would pick up 2 more rivals (Vijay & Harrington), while Jack picks up 3 more (Billy Casper, Hale Irwin and Julius Boros).

Seriously, who cares if he wins another major or not? Does he care about you? Take charge of your own lives.

Wow Unbelievable wrote:

Seriously, who cares if he wins another major or not? Does he care about you? Take charge of your own lives.

Buddy, it's conversations like this that help us deal with our wretched lives. Don't spoil it for us. We're having fun. Join in.

I can tell by a number of posts that you guys know a lot more about golf and it's history than I do. I like Tiger's chances of winning another Major. He is still relatively young, and he enters every tournament as the favorite, or one of the favorites. I hope he wins another Major.

Anybody who thinks he wont win at least one more major simply has a personal problem with Woods.

It's probably 50/50 whether he gets 5 more, but one more, that's just silly.

He's won 5 times this year, that's a good career for the majority of touring pros.

Just a few years ago, don't forget, the so called pundits were actually wondering whether he'd ever win a "regular" tour event again after his personal catastrophe.

He's won 8 times the last two years.

No way he doesn't win at least one more Masters, and I'm sure he'll pick up another British along the way.

Once he gets his driver squared away, he'll be fine. He's been getting better every year since his crackup.

Granted, he's never going to put like he did ten years ago, but he still puts well enough to win a major, just not by 5 to 10 strokes like he did in his prime.

It's hard to win these things, there are great, great historical players that have won only a handful of these tournaments.

And I totally don't buy the comparison of Woods to other players when they stopped winnning majors, he's a totally one off operator, an "outlier" if there ever was one.

Well okay then

not sure why the OP has made this thread ALL about them, and not about Tiger and his possibility/probability of winning another major. Even to the point of calling out detractors - they have emotional issues, but the OP does not? OP, you have made your claim, now leave the thread to others who obviously have more to offer it than do you. Nothing worse (sprintgeezer maybe) than someone who constantly replies when NO ONE cares about their opinion, just the topic at hand.

Tiger Fan wrote:

Anybody who thinks he wont win at least one more major simply has a personal problem with Woods...

You are simply wrong.

I have very publicly stated that I do not believe he will ever win another major.

I also have no personal problem with Tiger. I couldn't possibly care less about him than I do. Nothing negative. Nothing positive. Nothing at all. Zero.

Thus, you are simply wrong.