Tim Danielson-New York Times extensive article

If you read the story he had "his" reasons. Obviously a poor choice. Danielson is in jail to stay.

Unfortunately, his "wife" put herself is a bad situation. She evidently paid him $25,000 to marry her so she could move to the U.S. She filed for divorce two days after she couldn't be sent back to her country. She should have moved out then, and stayed moved out. Instead she returned to his house and started dating someone.

Woman should avoid getting themselves into ugly situations. She didn't deserve to get killed. Danielson obviously had drinking issues. She should have keep her distance.

Thank you for posting the article and video. It is interesting to see Danielson in a high school race. I'm pretty sure that I'd not seen that before. He looked kind of uncoordinated to me, but obviously was quite coordinated, and had a quick, very powerful stride.That happened is certainly a tragedy. He was responsible for making threats, the drinking, banishing the guns, all very bad habits, dangerous, and he had a bad temper.However the drug is likely what put him over the edge and caused him to murder someone he cared about. When will society start holding pharma companies and their doctor peddlers reponsible, instead of trying to glorify the drugs and act like they make people super heros! Brojos this is what the drugs do, they are nothing to be glorified.

Octyl Acetate wrote:

Personally, I think that its cruel and unusual punishment to be only allowed to walk around cafeteria tables in lieu of exercise. Talk about "The Man in Iron Mask".

The most inhumane thing in the whole article was this passage.

Danielson sat on the toilet in an adjacent bathroom, tilted to his right. Detectives gave him commands, but he did not respond. They could not see Danielson’s hands to tell whether he was armed. So he was Tasered twice, then handcuffed.

Why oh why do police taser people, when it is totally unnecessary, and as in this case, with people are not even moving! Tasering is supposed to be an alternative to shooting. Really? They would otherwise have shot him, for sitting on the toilet and being unresponsive???????

It is so sad that this woman, Ming Qi was killed.

History Lesson wrote:

reader11 wrote:

here's what it takes to break 4:

His workouts would become known for their volume and ferocity. In high school, he trained twice a day, sometimes even three times. He recalled his weekly speed work during the track season: Monday, eight repeats of 440 yards; Tuesday, 20x220 yards (in 24 seconds); Wednesday, 40x110 yards; Thursday, a warm-up and strides; Friday, meet day; Saturday and Sunday, a 15-mile run.

Sweet Schedule

Indeed. I think Danielson was right. He knew what he was doing, and the BYU coach was not a good fit for him. When runners are as good as Danielson and used to hard work, changing coaches and philosophies can be quite tenuous.

J.R. wrote:

History Lesson wrote:

Sweet Schedule

Indeed. I think Danielson was right. He knew what he was doing, and the BYU coach was not a good fit for him. When runners are as good as Danielson and used to hard work, changing coaches and philosophies can be quite tenuous.

Thinking about this today, he should have gone to UO and teamed up with Bowerman. He had a strong contingent of m-distance runners during that era and Danielson would most likely have thrived in that environment.

Here's what's cruel wrote:

Octyl Acetate wrote:

Personally, I think that its cruel and unusual punishment to be only allowed to walk around cafeteria tables in lieu of exercise. Talk about "The Man in Iron Mask".

And I think that it's cruel and unusual punishment to shoot a woman to death for no damn reason.

Sounds like she was intentionally pushing his buttons for whatever reason. Not sure why you would rub your romantic/sexual exploits in your ex's face. Not saying she deserved it, but at some point a person can only take so much and they break. You've got to be semi-stupid to not realize that.

Been There, Done That wrote:

Sounds like she was intentionally pushing his buttons for whatever reason. Not sure why you would rub your romantic/sexual exploits in your ex's face.

She was trying to make him jealous and get his attention.

Jere Longman is a top notch writer, and really good on distance running. He's also older, and so has a lot of mature perspective to draw from. No surprise one would think this is the Times at its best. Jere is definitely among the very best.

Sad, Very sad. Great story by the NY Times. Very impressive. So many opportunities waisted. A good Mentor couldve changed all that. This is the typical life of a "star athlete" without guidance. Without Jesus Christ in his life. Ok, I get it, everyone now bash the Jesus Freak guy...listen, Ive tasted that life he lived. I stood there and watched All American High School athletes waste their lives and alcohol and drugs played a roll in their downfall. Jesus Christ continually gives "purpose,direction,and motivation to live life even when the world closes the door. Just a sad sad story.

Recommend anyone to Read Tony Dungee's book: "The Mentor~Leader" it will change your life and possibly save someone elses.

Coach Dunbar wrote:

Sad, Very sad. Great story by the NY Times. Very impressive. So many opportunities waisted. A good Mentor couldve changed all that. This is the typical life of a "star athlete" without guidance. Without Jesus Christ in his life. Ok, I get it, everyone now bash the Jesus Freak guy...listen, Ive tasted that life he lived. Jesus Christ continually gives "purpose,direction,and motivation to live life even when the world closes the door. Just a sad sad story.

It doesn't have to be JC. It can be any spiritual guru - Buddha, Krishna,.....

Coach Dunbar wrote:

Sad, Very sad. Great story by the NY Times. Very impressive. So many opportunities waisted. A good Mentor couldve changed all that. This is the typical life of a "star athlete" without guidance. Without Jesus Christ in his life. Ok, I get it, everyone now bash the Jesus Freak guy...listen, Ive tasted that life he lived. I stood there and watched All American High School athletes waste their lives and alcohol and drugs played a roll in their downfall. Jesus Christ continually gives "purpose,direction,and motivation to live life even when the world closes the door. Just a sad sad story.

Recommend anyone to Read Tony Dungee's book: "The Mentor~Leader" it will change your life and possibly save someone elses.

Wasn't Danielson a Mormon? I.e. had Jesus Christ in his life?

Danielson committed first degree murder and will get the punishment he deserves. The murder was willful, deliberate, and premeditated. He has only himself to blame. He has a history of violence against women. The only number that matters now in his life is 187.

Premeditated? No. Willful maybe. Deliberate, unlikely.

You didn't read the story. The women from his past did not have anything bad to say about him regarding violence. Drinking was a long time problem.

Danielson will remain in prison the rest of his life.

The defense has to prove actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.

He was already plenty jealous and giving her attention (letting her stay with him). She was trying to get away from a lonely old drunkard, and he got wind of that (she was planning to stay at a friend's that night) after having gone through her laundry. Then got the guns ready and loaded. Pathetic is the word, but doesn't keep it from being Murder One.

J.R. wrote:

Been There, Done That wrote:

Sounds like she was intentionally pushing his buttons for whatever reason. Not sure why you would rub your romantic/sexual exploits in your ex's face.

She was trying to make him jealous and get his attention.

Dot Connector wrote:

She was trying to get away from a lonely old drunkard, and he got wind of that (she was planning to stay at a friend's that night) after having gone through her laundry.

The majority of us end up lonely and old. That is life mister.

Get Real Shorty wrote:

Dot Connector wrote:

She was trying to get away from a lonely old drunkard, and he got wind of that (she was planning to stay at a friend's that night) after having gone through her laundry.

The majority of us (pathetic losers) end up lonely and old. That is life mister.

No problemo. Just don't keep guns around if that's the case, mmkay?

Dot Connector wrote:

The majority of us (pathetic losers) end up lonely and old. That is life mister.

No problemo. Just don't keep guns around if that's the case, mmkay?[/quote]

Your time may or may not be coming buddy. Just remember, life has a way of turning your little paradise upside down real fast. I've know a lot of cocksure slick willies that ended up on their ass.

T&F Historian wrote:

Here's a great video of his 4:07 win in the 1966 CA State Meet. I had never seen any recording of him before and was amazed at how similar his physique, running form, and stride were to Pre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-RImae6ftA

How many of these guys in the video are old men now? Just curious. They all look fairly young in the video.

Sooner than later wrote: How many of these guys in the video are old men now? Just curious. They all look fairly young in the video.

You don't know? Time is the one thing that slows everyone down, even a troll like yourself. Solve that problem and you will become a multi-gazzillionaire, rich beyond your wildest beliefs.

Sooner than later wrote:

How many of these guys in the video are old men now? Just curious. They all look fairly young in the video.

If I had to guess, I'd say that most of them have aged by about 47 years since 1966. Is that what you're asking?