HIGH SCHOOL DREAM TEAM

I'm not taking sides on anything but Observer I think what ND Fan is refering to is the fact that the thread is entitled "HIGH SCHOOL DREAM TEAM" not "HIGH SCHOOL 5K DREAM TEAM"

chapa

I think Jeff Nelson should be on the list. However I think Lindren would take the race.

leaving canada out? ... or in?

try john castellano of canada, he ran 1349 in high school as a 17 year old, one of the world leading juniors at the time, also won pan am juniors and canadian juniors in fast times.

he should be on there. not sure what mark oleson won but at least 1416 and he also won pan am juniors.

Oh Canada, What happened to John Castellano? I remember tha name and how tough he was. Where did he attend college? Did he continue to run post-collegiately? Do you know his time progressions? Thanks.

Thank you Neutral Observer for having some sense. One more time Observer. If you want to call a thread high school dream team (and only want to include the few runners that have run 5000m on the track) then you need to make it very clear. Your intelligence is not shining through on this one Observer. The original poster, who named his post--High School Dream Team...says in his original post that Lindgren, Pre, Ritz and Sanchez all ran blazing 5k times on the track.

Ok clown, he does not say-- WHO ARE THE OTHER GREAT ATHLETES, THAT RAN ONLY 5K OUT THERE THAT COULD BE ADDED TO MY HIGH SCHOOL DREAM TEAM. First of all the original post sucked, but I threw my two cents in about Sage and you took it personal and started throwing in the 5k clause, which only seems to exist in your mind. Hmmm. Lets see if you break your word one more time and respond. Let me give you some advice...I wouldn't. You're making yourself look stupid every time you respond!

... Bruce Kidd

John operates a store "Born To Run" in metro Toronto. I believe he only runs for fun now, after quite a succession of injuries. My claim to fame, I beat him in the Ontario Midget indoor 3000m in 1980. I was 15, he was 14. I ran 8:59.33. The next year he won the same race in 8:27!!!

I believe he ultimately ran 13:36 for 5km, 28:46 for 10km and 7:58 for 3000.

Monty

NATHAN BRENNAN! 146, 341, HES NEVER RUN A 5OOO, BUT IF HE DID I'M SURE IT WOULD BE DAMN QUICK! 26TH AT WORLDJR X SO YOU NO HE HAS STRENGTH. HE IS GOING TO TEAR IT UP THIS YEAR IN THE 3, 15, MUCH STRONGER. 30:20 NC X FOR AN 8 RUNNER, THAT'S FAST.

i think im going to have to side with observer on this one, the initial post did include a 5k specification, whether or not the title to the thread did, the author was referring to a Track 5 kilometer race. And Nd Fan i reckognize that observer was slightly harsh with you on the youth topic, but every post you have generated on this thread has been inflamatory...take some advil.

ya that nathan guy is definately the most talented runner iv ever seen. is it true he only did 40 miles a week in his hs senior year, with almost no speedwork. 146, 341 , 809 fast

I'm a huge Sage fan, I like him more than any of those other runners on the list, but there is no way he could keep up with them in HS. He ran 14:04 as a freshman in college. That being said, I do think he will end up being much more successful in the 5k than Ritz and Sanchez ever will.

Sanchez ran well, but not well in comparison. He had his breakthrough the next year when he broke Pre's last record. I would put webb in his place. I mean common, he ran 3:53. That should be enough for anyone. He also ran faster in the two mile than Sanchez did during high school.

Good call on Zishka wrote:

I ran at Oregon with Johnny Z and if not for Track & Field News we would never have know he was one of the greatest HS runners ever. He was a very humble, friendly and supportive TEAM player and I will never take for granted the unique opportunity to be around such a great runner.

McG

I had a Zishka racing experience in 1980 that I'll sure never forget. It was the Mansfield Relays 3000 and Zishka was the man. He decided to burn us out from the get-go, hitting 60, 2:05 and 4:20 ... Most of us in the unwieldy pack foolishly followed as best we could. I had no business trying with a 9:19 2M PR and a late arrival to the meet, but I still hit 63-2:10-4:34 ... in LANE 3!

I was cooked and finished almost last in 8:58. Zishka ran what would be the fastest time in the nation for the year, 8:13.9. Yeah, he wasted me.

here are a few more might be considered:

Salazar

Trautmann

Hulst

a guy named Jim Ryun

Liquari(I know that is wrong but you get the idea)

Kennedy

Mastilers

Ah, yes the Mastalirs. I think it was Eric who ran 14:03 in high School at the World Juniors.

One thing to consider is fast mile'2 mile times in high school don't automatically translate to a comparative 5000. FOr example I don't think Trautmann would have done much better than 14:15 to 14:20 considering his early 5000 times at Georgetown were't stellar his first two years. Kennedy as well. We all know he undertrained in high school and never broke 9:00 for 3200 even.

Sage however might have been a sub 14:00 if he had went for it, if he had been really running 80-100 at York, but I don't know. He didn't, its doesn't really matter.

The guy who doesn't get much mention is Rick Riley who had the old high school record for 2 miles. I believe he did a 5000 in the low 14:00 range.

Hulst and McChesney(Bill) are some others.

That third mile is a tough one when your a high schooler coming through 3200 under 8:50. Rueben Reina ran 3:46 for 1500 in high school and 14:35 at Footlocker in San Diego but still only went 14:08 as a freshman at Arkansas-great but still not Ritz, Pre, Virgin, Zishka class yet-for 5000.

Still I think people get carried away with High School running in this country. Everywhere else in the world they don't put high schoolers on the pedestal they do here, its kind of frivolous in the long run isn't it?

Well, we're basically, for better or worse, the only country that has high school running. The rest of the world it's called "junior" running. You're not tied in with an institution (other than a club system which likely has a more seamless transition to the big time.

But there is a big deal made of juniors around the world at different times. Consider the headlines that Mark Lewis-Francis got in the UK with his prodigal sprinting, for example.

Rick Riley ran 14:00.X and also broke Lindgren's outdoor 2-mile HS record of 8:53 with an 8:48. Note that Gerry's 8:53 was enroute to a 3 mile or 5000m. Lindgren ran 8:40 indoors on a 10 or 11 lap to the mile track. He also posted 13:17 and 13:18 for 3 miles...and of course 13:44 for 5000m.