When was the last time a "good guy" with a gun stopped a mass shooting?

Article above regarding this issue

When was the last time a mass shooting took place where good guys were allowed to carry guns? You don't see armed shooters trying such things at gun conventions or even the Home Depot.

Checks and balances. It can't work if you ban (or over regulate) half the equation.

Clell Adams wrote:

Where do mass shootings occur? Where there are no good guys with guns. (light coming on yet?)

Could you provide a link showing the mass shootings that regularly take place in Japan, where there are no good guys with guns outside of the police and military?

Thanks.

Clell Adams wrote:

You are missing the whole point. Where do mass shootings occur? Where there are no good guys with guns. (light coming on yet?)

As previously mentioned, it didn't help at Columbine.

Fort Hood, anyone?

Rambo wrote:

I don't remember something like that ever happening. If it had, maybe the NRA would give us some examples.

That whole argument is stupid. Let's set up an NRA scenario:

Everyone carries guns (to be safe), schools have armed guards.

OK, a parent with a gun (for protection) walks in the front door to drop off their child's phys ed clothes that they forgot at home.

The armed gunman:

1. Let's the friendly parent with a gun walk right in.

2. Shoots this person with a gun walking into the school.

3. Plans on allowing the friendly parent with the phys ed clothes into the school but the person with the gun (for protection) shoots the armed guard and enters the school, kills whoever is close, then kills himself when the first responders arrive.

The problem isn't guns, the problem is the easy access, legal or illegal, for people who should never get them.

Uh, no wrote:

Clell Adams wrote:

You are missing the whole point. Where do mass shootings occur? Where there are no good guys with guns. (light coming on yet?)

As previously mentioned, it didn't help at Columbine.

The frequent response is, "imagine how much worse it would have been had there not been an officer there exchanging fire with Harris," to which I would reply, "and imagine how much worse the economy would be without the stimulus."

not the NRA wrote:

kpack wrote:

wendell williamson, ex-marine stopped him in chapel hill, no gun. got shot by the cops as he tackled wendell.

This is a great case to support NOT arming anyone. The "hero" was unarmed and stopped the shooter. The hero was shot by the highly trained armed professionals.

Even those with the most through training have difficulty properly using weapons in high stress situations. Google cop shooting see the effects of friendly fire, stray shots, incorrect targets, etc. How is an armed school marm going to act any better than a cop with years of training?

also, the chapel hill cops were crying on tv after the incident. if not for that ex-marine (who worked at tammany hall, I think, as a bouncer) who knows how many people wendell would have shot. most cops aren't worth very much.

what is interesting is that you'd think that you'd react the right way when something illegal happens right in front of you. somebody's purse got snatched right in front of me, and the whole situation was so odd (the guy was wearing a disguise getting out of a running car, sneaking up/tiptoeing up to an older woman) that it didn't register before he got back into his car. I then went after the car, got the number, etc, but it did no good.

lars von trier has an interesting movie that is an allegory for the entire gun violence issue. (I am getting bored with this discussion, however, so f it.)

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Clell Adams wrote:

Where do mass shootings occur? Where there are no good guys with guns. (light coming on yet?)

Could you provide a link showing the mass shootings that regularly take place in Japan, where there are no good guys with guns outside of the police and military?

Thanks.

No, but I can provide a link showing where more than 26 were killed in China where the good guys didn't have access to weapons.

Uh, no wrote:

Clell Adams wrote:

You are missing the whole point. Where do mass shootings occur? Where there are no good guys with guns. (light coming on yet?)

As previously mentioned, it didn't help at Columbine.

There were teachers armed at Columbine High School when that shooting happened? Did I miss something?

Clell Adams wrote:

No, but I can provide a link showing where more than 26 were killed in China where the good guys didn't have access to weapons.

China isn't Japan, but go on then.

Clell Adams wrote:

There were teachers armed at Columbine High School when that shooting happened? Did I miss something?

There was an armed security guard - a "good guy" - at the school.

Tom Joad wrote:

We were told his gun jammed.

And, somewhat contradictorially, that he shot himself.

Now what. He was stopped by an armed citizen?

I guess this is the result of quantum mechanics. Three different results occur simultaneously at the same time in three separate universes

We'll make this as easy for you as we possibly can, given that you're off in space somewhere ..

1. The shooter's gun jammed.

2. While he was trying to clear it, the CCW holder presented his firearm in plain view.

3. The shooter fled in response to the presence of the CCW holder's weapon.

4. The shooter then stopped in a secluded part of the mall, where he then shot himself.

If not for the CCW holder ...

1. The shooter's gun jams.

2. Since no one a threat to him, he takes the time to clear his firearm.

3. He then proceeds to shooting more victims.

Not necessarily! wrote:

We'll make this as easy for you as we possibly can, given that you're off in space somewhere ..

Who's "we"?

And then another that was writing tickets in one of the parking lots also came to the scene and opened fire. This also came up during the Gabby Giffords situation where one of the conceal carry guys almost shot one of the guys who was actually restraining Loughner. But hey, yeah, let's just throw more guns on untrained shooters into a chaotic situation! That sounds like a recipe for success!

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/14/nation/la-na-zamudio-shooting-20110115

I am pretty sure that most states require training for a CCW permit. (At least CO does).

Gun free zone is code for "open season".

Rambo wrote:

I don't remember something like that ever happening. If it had, maybe the NRA would give us some examples.

It happened Dec 11, 2012 in the Oregon mall shooting. Here is the video interview of the permit holder who drew on the shooter. His words,"I know that after he saw me, the next shot he fired was on himself."

fisky wrote:

Rambo wrote:

I don't remember something like that ever happening. If it had, maybe the NRA would give us some examples.

It happened Dec 11, 2012 in the Oregon mall shooting. Here is the video interview of the permit holder who drew on the shooter. His words,"I know that after he saw me, the next shot he fired was on himself."

Oops, forgot the link. Here it is. The above quote comes at 1:42 into the video.

Trolley Square shooting, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

Off-duty cop took down the shooter. Many of you will argue that it doesn't count because he's a cop, but remember he's off duty, carrying concealed in his private life. If he hadn't been carrying, many more people would have died.

And it's an answer to the OP's question.

Mass shootings aren't common, so there aren't many cases. Much more frequent are would-be murderers or rapists stopped by someone armed with a gun or pepper spray.