What's the lowest (highest) the top American at NCAA XC has ever finished?

rojo wrote:

Anyone know what the worse best place has been for top American at NCAAs?

How about this one Rojo -- what's the worst finish by an NCAA champion at Nationals?

Rono was last, right?

Rohatinsky was 248th as a frosh (beating 4 guys).

Didn't Henry Rono finish dead last when he got lost one year?

In 77 or 78 I believe Larry Cuzzort of Western Ky was the highest finishing American in 10th place; there was an article in Runners World and they spelled his name Cary Cuzzort; that I do remember vividly.

Cuzzort was 25th in 1979 and 12th in 1980. 1980 he was behind Scharsu and Dan Heikkinen of Michigan. Doesn't show up in the top 40 in 1977 or 1978.

He was 50th in 1977.

"Anyone know what the worse best place has been for top American at NCAAs?"

Grammar check please....I would think an Ivy Leaguer would know when to use worst instead of worse...

Maybe rojo's account has been hacked again...

ivy leaguer too wrote:

Maybe rojo's account has been hacked again...

I like how the posts pointing out his belligerent racism have been deleted.

LetsRun Censorship wrote:

ivy leaguer too wrote:

Maybe rojo's account has been hacked again...

I like how the posts pointing out his belligerent racism have been deleted.

What are you talking about?

We here at LetsRun have gone out our way and spent a ton of money to celebrate the African runners as individuals. We've travelled the globe at great expense to profile them even though our audience is primarily focused on Americans. We've been to Kenya three times in the last five years.

Perhaps you missed our series from Kenya this year:

That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of American, even American born runners and yes I'll say it - white runners.

What is wrong with pointing out and celebrating Chris Solinsky being the first white guy under 27:00?

In all other walks of life, the accomplishments of minorities are celebrated. Why not running? Wes Walker is an anomaly in the NFL. Solinsky in the world of running.

Seems like so wrote:

That's what it is looking like. But it's sometimes hard to tell.

Take Ben Hubers for example. A 13:40 guy who ran high school track in Georgia and recently competed at Indiana. He's Canadian and ran in the Olympic Trials for Canada, but has been in the United States for a long time. Certainly he has been here longer than the "American" Girma Mechesco. Without knowing everyone's individual story, it is really hard to tell if they identify as American or not.

Not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that a guy who ran for Canada in the Olympic Trials is more American than an American citizen who ran in the US Olympic Trials like Mecheso simply because Mecheso was born in Africa?

That is ridiculous if it's what you are saying.

Most immigrants have remarkable stories.

I suggest you read a 4-part series on Mecheso/Manilafasha:

Why can't people grow and brain and celebrate all the amazing stories we have in running? The African, the immigrant, the white, the black, the Hispanic?

The world is a melting point - so is the world of running. One of the appeals of the sport to me is that it's universal and basic.

Anyone know what the worse best place has been for top American at NCAAs?

Um FIRST! Elmore Banton won the whole thing in 1964 for Ohio University. He is from Canton or somewhere in East Bumville Ohio... and it was still when it was 4 miles, not 10k, but who cares. He won. Answer to the trivia question is ONE! :)

Your thread carries and xenophobic undertone, implying that foreign runners are "ruining" college XC. Intended or not (I think it was intended), you were baiting other xenophobes to come complain about American colleges allowing foreigners into this great nation.

rojo wrote:

What are you talking about?

We here at LetsRun have gone out our way and spent a ton of money to celebrate the African runners as individuals. We've travelled the globe at great expense to profile them even though our audience is primarily focused on Americans. We've been to Kenya three times in the last five years.

Perhaps you missed our series from Kenya this year:

http://www.letsrun.com/2012/boston-0414.php

That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of American, even American born runners and yes I'll say it - white runners.

What is wrong with pointing out and celebrating Chris Solinsky being the first white guy under 27:00?

In all other walks of life, the accomplishments of minorities are celebrated. Why not running? Wes Walker is an anomaly in the NFL. Solinsky in the world of running.

I'm not racist, I know loads of black people.

I jest, I jest. Of course this is a legitimate question. You shouldn't feel the need to explain yourself to the idiots on here.

I wonder if we will see the most different nationalities to make the top 50?

Kenyan

American

British - Goose

Irish - Rooney

Czech - Zivec

Canadian - Ahmed

Jamican - Campbell

Australian - McEntee

1980 Alan Scharsu Penn State 7th

1981 ALan Scharsu Penn State 6th

Who was Alan Scharsu? I consider myself pretty educated in NCAA T&F/XC, but I've never heard of the guy.[/quote]

High school stud. Did well at NCAA Cross albeit during 2 of the weakest years. Totally washed out in track.[/quote]

Two of the weakest years??? Those years (mid 70s to the early 80s) were probably the most talent laden from a US standpoint and over-aged Kenyan stacked period in college XC and distance running. Lawi Lalang is nowhere near as good as Rono, Kimowbwa, Nyambui, Ngeno and the rest of the WSU, UTEP juggernauts.

You're the opposite of pretty educated.

That is not at all close to what I am saying. I was responding to the question of if we knew the lowest American finishers at nationals.

I was saying it is hard to tell. It would be difficult to go back and look through results and determine if a runner was American or not, even if you knew he competed in an American HS. My example (Hubers) was meant to show that it would be easy to assume he is American (lets face it he's white, ran middle and hs track in Georgia, and talks without an accent) and make a mistake for the purposes of this thread - determining the lowest finishing American runner at NCAAs.

So before you ask why I can't grow up and have a brain, maybe you can work on your reading skills.

TLW wrote:

Didn't Henry Rono finish dead last when he got lost one year?

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/images/stories/NCAA_XC_PDFs/1978-men.pdf

I don't know if he got lost but it certainly was a major choke.

Seems like so wrote:

That is not at all close to what I am saying. I was responding to the question of if we knew the lowest American finishers at nationals.

I was saying it is hard to tell. It would be difficult to go back and look through results and determine if a runner was American or not,

Track and Field News typically denotes foreigners with a '. I do not know if they have it in their aggregate complilations, but it would be in the individual results. On the other hand, you might check with the two Pomona guys who have compiled a lot of NCAA cross results. One, the secondary contributor, is Sieg Linstrom, the (managing?) editor (not gh, who would have had a ' a that point in time;>) ).