ukathleticscoach wrote:
Steroids work, even on Kenyans'
This I don't get. Everyone knows steroids do not work that well on male distance runners. That's why East German doping regime was only really effective on females. !
Um check your facts. The East German steroid program was hugely successful for Male distance and middle distance runners. If you pour through all the files that were released after the wall came tumbling down, they even developed a "mist" oral steroid that they could take 5 days before the championship and still pass the drug test. They won scores of Olympic and World Championship medals. The success of the tiny little country was staggering on the men's side in the distances:
Marathon World Rankings:
(East Germany) 1973 2 Eckhard Lesse
(East Germany) 1974 3 Eckhard Lesse
(East Germany) 1975 8 Eckhard Lesse
(East Germany) 1976 1 Waldemar Cierpinski
(East Germany) 1978 8 Waldemar Cierpinski
(East Germany) 1980 1 Waldemar Cierpinski
(East Germany) 1983 8 Waldemar Cierpinski
(East Germany) 1985 8 Michael Heilmann
(East Germany) 1987 9 Jörg Peter
10000:
(East Germany) 1971 2 Jürgen Haase
(East Germany) 1974 2 Manfred Kuschmann
(East Germany) 1977 4 Jörg Peter
(East Germany) 1980 10 Jörg Peter
(East Germany) 1981 1 Werner Schildhauer
(East Germany) 1982 3 Werner Schildhauer
(East Germany) 1983 1 Werner Schildhauer
(East Germany) 1983 3 Hansjörg Kunze
(East Germany) 1986 9 Hansjörg Kunze
(East Germany) 1987 3 Hansjörg Kunze
(East Germany) 1988 5 Hansjörg Kunze
5000:
(East Germany) 1970 9 Gert Eisenberg
(East Germany) 1973 7 Manfred Kuschmann
(East Germany) 1974 3 Manfred Kuschmann
(East Germany) 1977 8 Manfred Kuschmann
(East Germany) 1981 3 Hansjörg Kunze
(East Germany) 1982 3 Werner Schildhauer
(East Germany) 1982 4 Hansjörg Kunze
(East Germany) 1983 8 Werner Schildhauer
(East Germany) 1988 4 Hansjörg Kunze
Steeple:
(East Germany) 1975 4 Frank Baumgartl
(East Germany) 1976 3 Frank Baumgartl
(East Germany) 1979 7 Ralf Pönitzsch
(East Germany) 1981 7 Ralf Pönitzsch
(East Germany) 1982 5 Hagen Melzer
(East Germany) 1986 2 Hagen Melzer
(East Germany) 1987 2 Hagen Melzer
(East Germany) 1988 10 Hagen Melzer
(East Germany) 1989 5 Hagen Melzer
1500
(East Germany) 1974 6 Klaus-Peter Justus
(East Germany) 1977 5 Jürgen Straub
(East Germany) 1978 9 Jürgen Straub
(East Germany) 1979 5 Jürgen Straub
(East Germany) 1980 6 Jürgen Straub
(East Germany) 1980 7 Andreas Busse
(East Germany) 1981 7 Olaf Beyer
(East Germany) 1987 7 Jens-Peter Herold
(East Germany) 1988 4 Jens-Peter Herold
(East Germany) 1989 8 Jens-Peter Herold
800
(East Germany) 1971 2 Dieter Fromm
(East Germany) 1972 9 Dieter Fromm
(East Germany) 1973 8 Dieter Fromm
(East Germany) 1978 1 Olaf Beyer
(East Germany) 1978 8 Detlef Wagenknecht
(East Germany) 1979 8 Jurgen Straub
(East Germany) 1980 9 Andreas Busse
(East Germany) 1981 5 Detlef Wagenknecht
(East Germany) 1981 10 Olaf Beyer
(East Germany) 1982 7 Detlef Wagenknecht
The oldest trick in the book is for users/suppliers/coaches is to say drugs don't work. In the USA the policy of the American Medical Association was to say steroids don't work but the users knew they worked remarkably well. When anyone tells you they don't work (e.g Arnold saying they only give you a psychological benefit, etc.) you should suspect the person who is saying they don't work.