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    • TLW
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 2:26AM - in reply to germantf
      • TLW
      • Look at all the European doctors/coaches in Kenya, easy to see they are running a regime on their stable of runners. Nice to see a very legitimate runner speaking truth about this issue.

        Remember a couple months ago when Renato C. came on here and said doping doesn't work on Kenyans?

        Hmmm....
    • someone had to do it
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 2:46AM - in reply to TLW
      • someone had to do it
      • TLW wrote:
        Remember a couple months ago when Renato C. came on here and said doping doesn't work on Kenyans?
        "Kenyan's don't dope. EPO doesn't work on them"


        BUSTED!!
    • ukathleticscoach
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 3:15AM - in reply to someone had to do it
      • ukathleticscoach
      • Remember a couple months ago when Renato C. came on here and said doping doesn't work on Kenyans?
        [/quote]

        "Kenyan's don't dope. EPO doesn't work on them"


        BUSTED!![/quote]


        Does it work on American's because your guy just beat their guys

        I tried to read the stupid link you posted under a different name, but like most people on here am not German

        Translate it or go away
    • Typical letsrun moron
    • Transaltion I found on web
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 3:25AM - in reply to ukathleticscoach
      • Transaltion I found on web
      • http://olympia.ard.de/london20...ia167.html

        The translation:

        Elite runners from Kenya admits doping in the ARD

        Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio is a world class athlete - and he has doped. ARD-doping expert Hajo Seppelt and television writer Robert Kempe have gone with the assistance of the ARD correspondent Jochen Tassler on the trail of the Long Distance Runner and met the 23-year-old, tenth of the Boston Marathon. In an interview with ARD Kisorio was the first Kenyan athlete to publicly admit the use of banned substances.

        Hajo Seppelt Interview with sportschau.de about the background, knowledge, and the anti-doping campaign in Kenya:

        Mr. Seppelt, how has it come to the meeting with Mathew Kisorio?
        Seppelt: We have researched in Kenya for several months on possible doping practices. Once there, we already made some curious observations, in parallel to the number of doping cases that were clearly evident in Kenya. One case was Mathew Kisorio. He is an absolute world-class runner who runs 10,000 m in under 27 minutes. On 14 June he was at the Kenyan Championships in Nairobi and tested positive for a steroid. Then we tried in Kenya, to get at him, which we succeeded. In the interview he was the first Kenyan to admit that he have manipulated on a grand scale.

        For what reasons he has entrusted to you?
        Seppelt: He apparently hopes that he gets, through the elucidation of the facts, a reduced ban by the National Association of Kenya. Therefore, he has gone on the offensive and has spoken to us.

        Why did he drugged?
        Seppelt: He claims that he was incited by his doctor. With better results, which are easier by doping, an athlete earned money. The doctor wanted to have his share. The doctor has apparently given him injections of banned substances and also tablets. One of these tablets led to the alleged positive test.

        Is Kisorio an isolated incident or is this coming from a system?
        Seppelt: Kisorios statements give the impression that not only he is affected, but it is a common phenomenon in Kenya. His credo is that many doctors in Kenya all over the country work with athletes. Including the doctor, with whom he was dealing, is said to have looked after other world class athletes too. May also Olympic participants. The doctors can be seen in places where preferred athletes live, such as in the training camps in the highlands. His observations on this practice are, that this is not an isolated phenomenon, but is wide spread all over Kenya. The athletes are more or less the victim of a profit-driven medical profession, he says.

        Do you think this likely?
        Seppelt: I can not imagine that the coaches and managers, who come mainly from Europe by the way, know nothing about it. But he did not accuse them in this interview.

        In the Kenyan Olympic team, there was no positive test. What significance does this have?
        Seppelt: In these Olympic games was not a single positive in-competition test. All previous cases of doping at this Olympics are due to pre-Olympic tests, ie outside the direct control of Olympic competition. But that's nothing special. In the competition controls only the dumbest get caught, because the (doping) products are already out of the (body) system by then. Nonetheless, the credibility of the Kenyan athletics is shaken. Moreover, no one can longer claim that this "Laufwunder" à la East Africa can be explained only b/c of the highland, good food and the running culture. It also plays an important role. But you must realize that certain substances are also a part.

        What type doping is it exactly?
        Seppelt: In Kisorio´s case it is steroids. But he also speaks of seemingly EPO injections, ie, blood doping, and also of (doping) products that stimulate the mind.

        How is the anti-doping campaign in Kenya organized?
        Seppelt: Certainly not optimal. There is now a Kenyan Anti-Doping Agency. But they can test only on a minimal level due to lack of funds in the country. The biggest problem is that in Kenya there are no blood tests, b/c of logistical reasons they are not feasible. This is obviously distressing, especially b/c Kenyan runners are world class since many years in the middle and long distance races. They are sometimes tested when they are running in europe. But never in their own country.
    • someone had to do it
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 4:01AM - in reply to ukathleticscoach
      • someone had to do it
      • ukathleticscoach wrote:
        Does it work on American's because your guy just beat their guys

        I tried to read the stupid link you posted under a different name, but like most people on here am not German

        Translate it or go away
        Posted under a different name? what?

        this is an anonymous message board, why would i post under a different name, to use an anonymous identity to protect my other anonymous identity? wat
    • bummer i liked Kisorio
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 7:57AM - in reply to someone had to do it
      • bummer i liked Kisorio
      • I wonder what the drugs are they were using to stimulate the mind?
        Were they using things like adderall to help focus during training perhaps?

        Anyone have any more insight into there mind stimulation drugs?
    • trollism
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 8:04AM - in reply to bummer i liked Kisorio
      • trollism
      • bummer i liked Kisorio wrote:
        I wonder what the drugs are they were using to stimulate the mind?
        Were they using things like adderall to help focus during training perhaps?

        Anyone have any more insight into there mind stimulation drugs?
        Guessing they're talking about stimulants. Ephidrine and the like.
    • smoke, yes. Fire?
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 8:17AM - in reply to germantf
      • smoke, yes. Fire?
      • There may be something to this, but it's not clear from the links, or, more importantly, the video (which doesn't work) of Kisorio himself, just what he said he did.

        Is this the same news source which reported that Kenyan doctors were giving drugs to their elite athlete clients? If so, I really hope they can better substantiate their claims. Clean up doping wherever it occurs. There are a lot of hard working Kenyan athletes who would welcome light being shed on doping.
    • another skinny guy
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 8:26AM - in reply to
      • another skinny guy
      • Actually, it is very likely (especially given the recent revelations) that these skinny distance runners use steroids.

        Certain people will never put on any additional muscle, regardless of their steroid levels. I should know; I'm one of those people, having had that turn up in my results from 23andme (the genetics testing site). The key factor is what is completely misnamed "the sprint gene."

        The sprint gene has nothing to do with how fast you are in reality and has nothing to do with your ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch. It only determines whether your existing fast twitch fibers (which could be zero or 100%) can grow. 80% of people have the gene, which is why virtually everyone gets bigger from weightlifting (the other fiber type--slow twitch--won't grow under any circumstance for anyone).

        20% of us do not have the gene (let's rename it the bodybuilder gene). So we--and let's assume, from the looks of things, that most Kenyans fall into this camp--could take steroids and get all kinds of benefits, but the one benefit we would never get would be additional size.

        Thus, if Kisorio says the Kenyans are on steroids, believe him. It would enhance performance without having any effect on their muscle size.
    • Forrest child
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 8:30AM - in reply to
      • Forrest child
      • WTF? You can use steroids and still remain skinny, even emaciated. It depends on the dosing of steroids and especially on the amount of food and its content. You do not become buff just from ingesting oral steroids and/or injecting them in the muscle. The enhanced protein sythesis must be feeded by enormous amounts of food. Otherwise, you will just make muscles stronger without significant weight gain. Power to weight ratio is crucial in distance events. Furthermore, even if you do not gain tremendous amount of strength on steroids if you are on a reasonable diet, you do get the benefit of much faster recovery.

        Couple that with EPO and HGH, and you have all the advantages you need. The pitfal is using detectable steroids, which are harder to mask, unless they are designed specifically for you in the lab. Kisorio was stupid to use common steroids. Had he been using just HGH and EPO, and followed simple protocol, they would never detect him. Just like thousands other elite endurance athletes.

        The poorer the country, the less likely it is that even the highest profile athletest will be tested out of competition. Thus they are safe from being busted, if they are not stupid. Kisorio obviously was.
    • Transaltion I found on web
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 8:32AM - in reply to
      • Transaltion I found on web
      • You are quoting a translation of the title, then below is the translation of the interview with the German journalist.

        No accusations on my part - I have just researched quickly on the web to find out what is written in English about the topic posted by the OP to better inform myself and others.

        Maybe you could do the same ...
    • Jeff Wigand
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 9:14AM - in reply to Forrest child
      • Jeff Wigand
      • Forrest child wrote:
        The poorer the country, the less likely it is that even the highest profile athletest will be tested out of competition.
        That's not true at all. The only time nationality comes into play is when there's a state supported system in place to evade and circumvent the anti-doping procedures.
    • rqwrqwerweqwe
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 9:45AM - in reply to someone had to do it
      • rqwrqwerweqwe
      • someone had to do it wrote:
        Posted under a different name? what?
        I posted it earlier, that Inselaffe thinks we are the same.
    • Aquafina
      • RE: Mathew Kisorio admits doping 8/7/2012 10:25AM - in reply to germantf
      • Aquafina
      • This can't be true! White people would never exploit black africans for profit.