Any have any memories or thoughts on those horrific events?
Any have any memories or thoughts on those horrific events?
How stupid. Truman didn't have to invade Palestine after the British Army was defeated.
Clearly Germany needed better gun control laws.
This event never actually happened. How do I know? I constantly hear people talking about how gun violence is unique to the United States. Every time any kind of mass murder occurs, I hear people say things like "you never see this kind of stuff happening in Europe." I'm sure the people who say things like this aren't complete idiots who spew made up nonsense, so I'm forced to conclude that the Munich Massacre, along with the purported shootings in Norway, Finland, Dunblane, etc are all fictional events.
That was sad
regardless of your political leanings. It was a massacre. And should the olympics be used/misused for political purposes?
I was there, saw the helicopters fly over enroute to Flugplatz Fürstenfeldbruck. Edmund Burke was right when he said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
If only Prefontanie had been armed with an AK-47 I am certain things would have ended differently.
A great show about those events
I remember watching on television and you could sense a solemn desperation. It was sad, and athletics didn't mean much after the massacre. Everything was compromised, and any notion that politics was not to interfere with the Olympics was gone once again, and then drilled into us soon again by Carter's boycott in '80.
The '72 US-USSR basketball game also took the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny idealism right out of me. The fix was in, and then we found out about the secret bombing of Cambodia and then Watergate with Nixon resigning in August '73.
I didn't understand at the time why they didn't rush the hostage-takers and risk the loss of life, but I was a stupid kid back then.
The world is just as volatile these days, especially after Arab spring, but perhaps now a bit better protected -- or at least armed but still not secure as we see the overwhelming military and police buildup for London. Even the US has had its shock with 9-11.
Doesn't seem tit-for-tat is a viable foreign policy option anymore, not in the modern terrorist world as presently defined. As we world changes, the US should place a premium on being a good communicator, and that Sec. of State job should be about as important as and filled with an equally skillful person as the Presidency demands.
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A great show about those events
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWCccQ_kTo&feature=related
Although its a bit lengthy the video explains the events very well
Yes.
We must ignore the hundreds of thousands of people driven from their homes and killed by Israel in 1948 and the tens of thousands more displaced and killed when Israel grabbed the Golan Hgts, W Bank, Gaza, and more in 1967 via war.
We must forget all of that and the continued occupation and bow down to the eternal victimhood of the Jewish people. Every Olympics should include days of commemoration of the Munich victims of 1972 -- and why not throw in the Holopcuats too -- but never a mention of the victimhood of any other group. And if you don't like it, you are an anti-semite
Only on letsrun would the bigots come out of the woodwork and legitimize a terrorist attack at the Olympics.
MS3 Runner wrote:
Only on letsrun would the bigots come out of the woodwork and legitimize a terrorist attack at the Olympics.
The real bigotry is seen in the sweeping under the rug by the western media of the horrific crimes Israel has committed and continues to commit against the Palestinian people and all of her neighbors.
Who else but organized Jewry would push the Olympic committee to commemorate their victimhood? You don't see the africans, the pacific islanders, the native peoples of the Americas constantly demanding recognition of their much longer lasting and much more destructive victimhood at the hands of the European powers. When is enough enough?
fictional wrote:
This event never actually happened. How do I know? I constantly hear people talking about how gun violence is unique to the United States. Every time any kind of mass murder occurs, I hear people say things like "you never see this kind of stuff happening in Europe." I'm sure the people who say things like this aren't complete idiots who spew made up nonsense, so I'm forced to conclude that the Munich Massacre, along with the purported shootings in Norway, Finland, Dunblane, etc are all fictional events.
Interesting you mention that. I was reading an article recently about how the US is supposedly so violent compared to Europe, and it mentioned that Europe had a much lower murder rate in the 20th century than the US. I found myself wondering if the authors factored in the 10s of millions of murders that took place in the two World Wars.
Honestly it's the Neo-Zionists who are the hotheads. The Post-Zionists and moderates are willing to have Democracy, one-man=one-vote, and human rights. Outside American influence has ruined negotiations. The majority of Israelis are 1st/2nd/3rd Generation Europeans and see themselves as immigrants much like ethnics in America, and these people are the majority. If the US stopped meddling, Israel would very easily negotiate at least a Lebanaese-style government. Then with lets say, after a 20 year trial period, could integrate society under full rights sans apartheid districts and religious settlements. But for now the Islamo nutjobs just want to kill every Jew and Jews aren't going back to Auschwitz, i.e. Jews have to have demonstrated guarantees that a re-unified Palestine is safe.
This is about an event that happened at the Olmypics, nothing more.
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If you want some perspective on the middle east, take a look at two simple examples off the top of my head: Black September or what's happening in Syria. Jordan killed more Palestinians in one month in 1970 (est. 10k-20k) than have died in 60 YEARS of conflict with Israel (7,978). Nearly twice that number of civilians have died in Syria since 2011 (est. 19,000-26,700). Additionally, the displacement you speak of happened on both sides, with ~800k-1million Jews being displaced from Arab countries, and 711k-712k Palestinians being displaced. Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees who lost all their land and valuables and now they're fine. Why couldn't the 18 Arab nations do the same for their brethren?
Get a grip and look in the mirror. Israel is not even close to being the main cause of violence in the region.
*All my numbers are researched and from official sources.
Palestine is fighting to free itself from foreign occupation.
This thread is bunch of f*cking cowardly d*ckwads.
I was present at the '72 Games, and will always remember those tragic events.
I frequently think of the German policeman who voluntered to fly the helicopter to take hostages and PLO members from the airport. He had to know that his chances of survival were low.