the original poster used galen rupp as an example for her to follow.
facts
1. rupp finished high school
2. rupp not only competed in college all 4 years, but he even took a redshirt, so if cain copied rupp, she has 7 more years until she turns pro
0% chance she drops out of high school, her parents, coaches, advisors would tell her if she did that she would be 1 injury away from being a high school dropout who has nothing going for her, but she was a great high school runner.
Lets get this started wrote:
most people wrote:Really - think a young woman raised in Bronxville is not going to go to college, likely at a very prestigious place? I know this sounds absurd to many on this board, but there is more to life than running, and someone with this background is going to almost always factor education into any major decision.
Hey DIPSH*T howabout I give you an ensured 500k a year from age 18 to age 30, then 750k from age 31 to age 35, on top of another 200-300k a year in appearance fees then a cushy coaching job at a D1 school OR in media your choice until your retirement at age 50 with 10-15 million in the bank.
How's that sound? Oh yeah and she can go to college part time while making that get a degree in anything she wants.
This girl is way above that level of trying to get into college with her running. She is an Allyson Felix level athlete.
Quite simply going to college as an athlete will cost Mary Cain a few million dollars and probably many millions more after the coach breaks her legs and destroys her, just like Oregon has done to our last standout talent. RING ANY BELLS?
i admit to being ignorant of the actual amounts track athletes make (although i did read 50% ranked in the top 10 in the world make less than 15k) if the numbers and guarantees this poster said are correct, YES she should take it, but does even meseret defar, t. dibaba, v. cheruiyiot make that kind of money? would she even get any appearance money until she goes sub 4 for 1500?
i would like to hear from someone who has inside information, maybe an agent on how much an athlete of her ability could get? the numbers seem like pie in the sky.
Would think that she'll look at Stanford, Gtwn, Princeton, Duke, Harvard and probably choose Stan.
She probably doesn't need any money right away. If Nike could pay her to attend one of those schools maybe she'd do it, but seems pretty unlikely.
Add SUNY Stony Brook and Bronx Community College to that list - she is from NY after all.
Bronxville resident wrote:
Would think that she'll look at Stanford, Gtwn, Princeton, Duke, Harvard and probably choose Stan.
She probably doesn't need any money right away. If Nike could pay her to attend one of those schools maybe she'd do it, but seems pretty unlikely.
If she is interested in a running career, cross Duke and Harvard from that list, both are lousy programs.
Alanson wrote:
She can go to any college or university she wants to. That boils down to Harvard or Stanford...
you lost me here.^^^
I bet she'll just end up going to Oregon like all the others...
She is I. A different boat and not coached by Mitchell, but many recent Bronxville talents have gone to Princeton.
Douglas Burke-tard:
Mary Cain will be running low 4's by the time she's a senior, and probably under 4 by 19, and be working at a medal in RIO if she stays on track.
As a 20 y/o American she will be offered a whole lot more than 15k a year. Thats almost a joke, did you seriously expect to be taken seriously with your post? Its almost hard to even understand your logic.
Anyone signs her next year they're gonna want her long term.
This is a girl that can be running 3:55 and setting the AR in her early 20's. We're talking multiple WC/OG gold medals possibly at multiple distances.
I just watched the world junior 1500m final and the contrast between Kipyegon and Cain is pretty illustrative. The former is incredibly efficient in her stride, hardly any arm action, everything straight, a consummate pro already, whereas Cain has an overlong stride (that is, striking in front of her body) and very long arm action crossing the body significantly. When Cain's coaches work on her efficiency, that alone will allow her to drop a lot of time. And second, Cain's racing inexperience showed, as she was bounced around out there by the field (getting spiked as well, I understand) about half a dozen times, she ran in lane two or even lane three for quite a bit of the race, and was, as far as I could tell, stuck at the back of the pack for a good deal of the race, ready and wanting to go faster but not able to get around or through. As she gets older, stronger, more efficient, and more experienced racing in strong fields, watch out.
Agreed. Give me her talent and fitness, and I could have run a 4:08 in that race with better tactics and race savvy. That's a good sign, because it means she can drop a couple seconds without getting any faster.
I think she has a very good stride. Remarkable ground contact time and turnover. Her arm carriage and leg power remind me of Tirunesh Dibaba. Although watching the video, the Kipyegon girl has a VERY efficient stride and is definitely going to be a future star.
riverdale wrote:
Add SUNY Stony Brook and Bronx Community College to that list - she is from NY after all.
no t&f at bcc
I would be shocked if a girl from Bronxville chose to go to the O, I don't care how great the team is- the school is not fancy enough to to brag about at the country club, and really, neither is Stanford- great for the Arkie Clintons' daughter, but they are latecomers to the Archduchy of Westchester- Princeton it will be, and there is no way she is skipping college
i wasnt saying she would only get 15k,just not the numbers you suggested.
i admit i am somewhat ignorant of who gets what, that is why i wanted to hear from someone in the business.
i doubt the numbers you suggested are realistic for the like of defar, t. dibaba, v. cheruiyiot so i have a hard time believing she will get more than them even if she is american, she smashed the high school record and at her young age hopefully she can be a worldbeater someday, but as a pro 4:11 for 1500 doesnt mean a whole lot, 4:05 doesnt really mean a lot.
3:55 as you suggest would make her a star in the sport worldwide, but 4:11 and 3:55 is a huge difference.
anyway she has a bright future, i would love to see her run under 4 for 1500 as a junior, she has 3 years to go and it will be tough.
If Cain continues to progress and continues to be a Decker level talent, she will make six figures. Bank on it.
Bet you thought Hasay wouldn't go to Oregon too...
It doesn't matter what we all think, what does she want to do? Going pro rather sticking it out in college didn't work out so well for Webb. There is a lot to being successful, and a good routine and enjoyment are important factors - college can provide both of those. After all, she is running well now for her age off of a high school racing routine - might just be good training for her body type.
I've always believed some of the talented runners should have stay in college - Centrowitz, Andrews, etc., the college system got them to where they were, why abandon it? Modify at their level perhaps. Ever hear of Henry Rono? Many of good collegiate/international runners do well in Europe after the collegiate season is over and they can focus on specific training, but perhaps the collegiate racing was good training.
Dave Moorecroft probably raced yearly more than any US collegiate runner did while not in the NCAA system.
This is why I believe that Webb should have
stuck with his coach from High School. Rupp was
fortunate to have Al Sal and his influence even
while running for Oregan. Look at the results.
A. Webb was derailed after
leaving his coach and going to U.M then going back to
his coach then switching to A. Sal then going to his
current coach.
I believe Alan Webb would have been on or near the top
in the 1500, 1 Mile, and 5000
I also believe he would have been our best 800 guy as well
Glad you guys are deciding a young girl's future.
She has earned this, so she should and will decide with her parents consent until she is 18.
I expect her to want things like going to a prom, getting into college and experiencing fun times with her friends in high school and college.
Stay out of her life.
USA distance running does not suck.
We just don't put it on the same pedestal that eastern Afericans do. Therefore, it falls way behind soccer, football, basketball, baseball, lax, on and on...
Make ldr a revenue sport and highlight good runners like football, and you will see a huge growth. Good luck trying to accomplish that.
Why not worry more about the unreal growth of fatness in our country.
The huge growth in diabetes and obesity in kids.
Then you can make suggestions.
When it comes to a girl who runs and is in high school, stay out.