EZ10Miler wrote:
Here is the Outside article. It's as close to what everyone on here is talking about as you can get. It's just a guy on a bike instead of running shoes.
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/Drug-Test.html?page=all
That article was SO interesting to read. To whoever was asking about side effects, look at the part of the article where he talks about "the EPO headache...there is nothing like it" and everyone using EPO knows exactly what you're talking about.
I'll share my story.
I was a 15:30 / 32:15 guy in college. Stopped running for a few years after college when I got too busy in med school. I now work for an oncologist where we have easy access to this stuff. (it's used to treat cancer patients)
I started running again last summer. I was doing 20-30 mpw and got down to about 17:30-18:00 over the winter. I then heard about this alumni 5K my college was having and this douchebag on the team that I really didn't get along with was going to run it. He ran 16:00/33:00 in college but had worked himself down to about 15:15/31:00 shape. I wanted to run it but can't stand losing to this dbag, so I started taking injections. (I worked it out with my boss so it comes out of my salary, not stealing it). A month after I started I did a time trial on the track in 15:45 at about 90-95% effort.
The day of the race came. It was me and the dbag out in front by ourselves after 800 meters. We came through the first mile in 4:50, and then 2 miles in 9:45. The guy looks over at me like, smirks, and picks up the pace. I cover the move and then immediately gap him. I put 15 seconds on him in the last mile and came across 3 miles in 14:15 and kick it in for a 14:43 finishing time. He ran 15:02.
Everything comes with a price wrote:
I'll share my story.
I was a 15:30 / 32:15 guy in college. Stopped running for a few years after college when I got too busy in med school. I now work for an oncologist where we have easy access to this stuff. (it's used to treat cancer patients)
I started running again last summer. I was doing 20-30 mpw and got down to about 17:30-18:00 over the winter. I then heard about this alumni 5K my college was having and this douchebag on the team that I really didn't get along with was going to run it. He ran 16:00/33:00 in college but had worked himself down to about 15:15/31:00 shape. I wanted to run it but can't stand losing to this dbag, so I started taking injections. (I worked it out with my boss so it comes out of my salary, not stealing it). A month after I started I did a time trial on the track in 15:45 at about 90-95% effort.
The day of the race came. It was me and the dbag out in front by ourselves after 800 meters. We came through the first mile in 4:50, and then 2 miles in 9:45. The guy looks over at me like, smirks, and picks up the pace. I cover the move and then immediately gap him. I put 15 seconds on him in the last mile and came across 3 miles in 14:15 and kick it in for a 14:43 finishing time. He ran 15:02.
I'd be real careful about bragging about this stuff online. While letsrun is supposedly anonymous it is not difficult at all to figure out who people really are...
who's the d-bag again???
Everything comes with a price wrote:
I'll share my story.
I was a 15:30 / 32:15 guy in college. Stopped running for a few years after college when I got too busy in med school. I now work for an oncologist where we have easy access to this stuff. (it's used to treat cancer patients)
I started running again last summer. I was doing 20-30 mpw and got down to about 17:30-18:00 over the winter. I then heard about this alumni 5K my college was having and this douchebag on the team that I really didn't get along with was going to run it...
...I wanted to run it but can't stand losing to this dbag, so I started taking injections.
yeah so the guy that still trains and races well is a the dbag and the lazy piece of crap that gets injections isn't??
really?.? wrote:
Bullcrap. If you really want to make a massive difference to your running, you would do it legally by training much harder.
I'm not sure what your point is. Yes of course you will get faster if you train harder. But you will be even faster again if you're using EPO.
I'm not encouraging people to go out and try it, I'm just stating that the stuff works, and works well.
id like to know the short/long term effects of epo on the average male distance runner first. does it mess your heart up? do your balls shrink or anything like that? do you get roid rage and flip out at people. would i statt looking like Rambo all the sudden?
AK5k wrote:
id like to know the short/long term effects of epo on the average male distance runner first. does it mess your heart up? do your balls shrink or anything like that? do you get roid rage and flip out at people. would i statt looking like Rambo all the sudden?
Wow you dont know much about EPO at all do you? It's not an anabolic steroid, it enriches your blood with oxygen carrying blood cells so you dont get tired.
It has nothing to do with body building.
And yes, it can "mess with your heart" in that your blood becomes thick and if it gets too thick your heart cant pump it and you die.
Read the Outside article and learn something.
ok i read the article. sounds shady. it sounds like too much trouble money and health risk just to win a local road race. maybe ill just drink some coffee before my next race and see where that takes me lol. or run some xtra miles, and eat more veggies.
We've got age-groupers in our area that most us runners are fairly certain are, or were, doping. Years of so/so results then all of a sudden are running like superman with superman like recovery also. Sometimes running two road races a weekend and winning both! This is also a highly competitive area. No cake-walk.
We'll, maybe their doping ways have caught-up to them? Because after a year or so, some have broken-down and are injury riddled.
it saddens me to hear that micro-dosing is out of your system in 4 hours making it hard to detect. on the testing side of things, are there any detection-possibilities on the horizon for this method?
how much money would it take for each elite (sponsored or national) athlete to have a weekly random test? as a fan of the sport, i want to know that the athletes i watch are clean.
Runners on this site: if you don't like athletes that cheat, hold them AND their team/shoe company responsible. when you mention their name on these boards, add their shoe company (ex: Fagan/Reebok, M.Jones/Nike).
Shoe companies: make sure your stables are clean. I've not worn a pair of Nike's for atleast 10 years following all the Marian Jones sh&t.
NRR prediction: low-dose EPO and HGh are going to become standard medication in the next 10-20 years for otherwise healthy people as they get older to stay physically active/healthy later into life. don't be surprised when 100 years-old becomes the new 4minute mile...
-The Trance
I don't think this is a true story.
EZ10Miler wrote:
yeah so the guy that still trains and races well is a the dbag and the lazy piece of crap that gets injections isn't??
Looks like I hooked a few this morning with my made up story. BOOYAH!
P.S. I really am about a 16:00 / 33:00 guy and my dad is an oncologist so I can probably buy some EPO from him. But I hate needles and I think it would be pretty sad to waste all that money and put my health on the line to run times that are probably in line with what elite women would run.
Besides, I'm not done with my high-mileage / hard-easy experiment yet.
I wonder if EPO effects the rate of luekemias and other blood diseases, since it stimultaes your bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. Sounds cancer promoting to me.
My Grandfather died of luekemia. No way I would consider the stuff.
smelled like a worm but i still bit
Price, I'm in the same boat with experimenting with training/pushing a little harder to figure out where my natural boundaries lie.
Let me throw this one at you: your high-mileage/hard-easy experiment works well and hypothetically gets you to near-milestones (ex:4:03/14:10/30:15)... what do you think you do then? (don't know where you're at running-wise, those times are just there to illustrate the point)
We're all not cheaters until we decide to cheat.
How well do "most us runners" know these age-group dopers? Could they have changed their training in certain ways to get a few break throughs? Would you potentially not expect break-downs at some points anyways?I'm as skeptical as the next-guy but I also believe in people having break-throughs. I run with an "age-grouper" who keeps up with the younger guys; do I think he's on something...? [no]
ashley madison wrote:
We've got age-groupers in our area that most us runners are fairly certain are, or were, doping. Years of so/so results then all of a sudden are running like superman with superman like recovery also. Sometimes running two road races a weekend and winning both! This is also a highly competitive area. No cake-walk.
We'll, maybe their doping ways have caught-up to them? Because after a year or so, some have broken-down and are injury riddled.
I'm actually about to turn 30. Even if I do take these drugs and they work wonders and turn me into a sub-14 / sub-29 type guy, what's the point? I am still not good enough to even go to the Olympic trials. That stuff is not going into my body one way or the other.
Both groups are doping. The difference is genetics. The Africans _are_ just better.
Everything comes with a price wrote:
EZ10Miler wrote:yeah so the guy that still trains and races well is a the dbag and the lazy piece of crap that gets injections isn't??
Looks like I hooked a few this morning with my made up story. BOOYAH!
P.S. I really am about a 16:00 / 33:00 guy and my dad is an oncologist so I can probably buy some EPO from him. But I hate needles and I think it would be pretty sad to waste all that money and put my health on the line to run times that are probably in line with what elite women would run.
Besides, I'm not done with my high-mileage / hard-easy experiment yet.
I didnt believe you because no company is going to pay for or allow anyone to start taking EPO w/o a medical reason. You'd have to pay for it out of your own pocket. But the sentiment was totally off. (Nice trolling btw.)
Though your story is somewhat entertaining, it is very fishy. Why?
1.) If you're out of med school, and likely into your residency, you don't "work for an oncologist". In addition, no physician in his right mind would neither sell nor write you a script for epo. That would put their medical license at risk.
3.) You don't write like you have enough education to have made it TO med school, let alone have made it through. That is, unless English is not your native tongue.