The sectional prelims in California produced faster times than almost all of the state meet final performances in Texas! The girl who just ran a state meet record of 10:24 would not have even won the D1 or D2 southern section prelims(both girls were not even fresh!! one ran 10:17 and the other 10:21)Most of the girls and boys who were in the top 5 in Texas would not have even qualified for the State meet in California!
Texas has produced more Olympic Medals than California.
Look it up.
And don't count guys like Maurice Greene and Quincy Watts as being Californian. Watts was born in Detriot and Greene was born in Kansas. Yes they live in California but they aren't 'Californian'.
Michael Johnson, Wariner Texans. And Carl Lewis was born in Alabama and went to HS in New Jersey and attended the University of Houston.
And Jackie Joyner was born in Illinois!
Lashinda, Allyson, yes are Californian, and so was Flojo. Evelyn Ashford was born in Shreveport LA.
Californians won the most Golds my @$$.
Could it perhaps be that Texas is more competitive in the events that typically generate more interest (i.e., not girls distance events)? While I have not looked at the results for California, my understand is that it took 10.19 to win the 100m in Texas, 20.58 for 200, sub-46 for 400m, and sub 1:50 for 800 (runner up was under 1:50 as well). That is just for 5A (largest division). In looking at the results, there seemed to be some pretty serious depth in the other divisions as well. Is California a lot faster than that? I would be impressed if it is.
2011 California State Meet:
-6 Boys under 4:10, 1600
-17 under girls under 5, 1600
-13 Boys under 9, 3200
-11 girls under 10:30
- NATIONAL FEDERATION RECORD: GIRLS 800 Amy Weissenbach 2:02
California female athletes currently hold the National High school records in ALL three sprint( 100, 200, 400) and practically ALL of the distance events( 800, 1500, 1600, 3200, Mile. Many more in relays and field events which I will not even count.
California male athletes currently hold the National High school records in the 400, 800, 3000, 3200, 300 hurdles, 4X400, 4X800, Sprint Medley, Long Jump
Again, are you kidding me?
Los Angeles is the Track Capitol of the rath not California.
rukiddingme? wrote:
2011 California State Meet:
-6 Boys under 4:10, 1600
-17 under girls under 5, 1600
-13 Boys under 9, 3200
-11 girls under 10:30
- NATIONAL FEDERATION RECORD: GIRLS 800 Amy Weissenbach 2:02
California female athletes currently hold the National High school records in ALL three sprint( 100, 200, 400) and practically ALL of the distance events( 800, 1500, 1600, 3200, Mile. Many more in relays and field events which I will not even count.
California male athletes currently hold the National High school records in the 400, 800, 3000, 3200, 300 hurdles, 4X400, 4X800, Sprint Medley, Long Jump
Again, are you kidding me?
400 - Sanya Richards, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
800 - Kim Gallagher, Ft. Washington, Pennsylvania
400 - Darrell Robinson, Tacoma, Washington
3200 - Lukas Verzbicas, Illinois
Sprint Medley - New Bern, North Carolina
Long Jump - Marquise Goodwin, Rowlett, Texas
Think of the children!!! wrote:
3200 - Lukas Verzbicas, Illinois
Wasn't his record during the Pre 2 mile race? On the Texas State Meet results it still listed German Fernandez's 8:34 as the national record.
Not Cali. It's L.A. County, UCLA, and USC which are the Olympic, IAAF Outdoors, and Major Marathon Medal Factory.
Ash Ketchum wrote:
Think of the children!!! wrote:3200 - Lukas Verzbicas, Illinois
Wasn't his record during the Pre 2 mile race? On the Texas State Meet results it still listed German Fernandez's 8:34 as the national record.
I don't think that matter. I mean, do you count Jim Ryun's 3:58 from the 1965 Kansas State Meet as the mile record?
Think of the children!!! wrote:
I don't think that matter. I mean, do you count Jim Ryun's 3:58 from the 1965 Kansas State Meet as the mile record?
I think his point was that if the record was in the Pre two-mile, then it's a two-mile record, not a 3200m record.
No Blood / Urine Tests in 1965
3200m wrote:
Think of the children!!! wrote:I don't think that matter. I mean, do you count Jim Ryun's 3:58 from the 1965 Kansas State Meet as the mile record?
I think his point was that if the record was in the Pre two-mile, then it's a two-mile record, not a 3200m record.
I don't think that makes a difference. It's 2-mile/3200 in my mind.
If you disagree, make sure and give Ryan Hall a Call and let him know that he is the national high school record holder in the 1600.
Think of the children!!! wrote:
I don't think that makes a difference. It's 2-mile/3200 in my mind.
If you disagree, make sure and give Ryan Hall a Call and let him know that he is the national high school record holder in the 1600.
I don't know the specific circumstances of the races under discussion, but an intermediate time can be used as a record if and only if an official time is taken at the intermediate point.
And I'm not sure what Jim Ryun's mile time has to do with it. Why would Webb's record was in a mile race.
Big deal. California is the most populated state. So obviously they are going to have more chances to produce the fastest runners. Also they have ideal weather year around for training.
The best track & field state debate is POINTLESS.
The count for Cali is higher than other states still but it's South Central L.A. and L.A. County in general which produces an astounding medal count at every Worlds and Olys.
rukiddingme? wrote:
2011 California State Meet:
-6 Boys under 4:10, 1600
-17 under girls under 5, 1600
-13 Boys under 9, 3200
-11 girls under 10:30
- NATIONAL FEDERATION RECORD: GIRLS 800 Amy Weissenbach 2:02
California female athletes currently hold the National High school records in ALL three sprint( 100, 200, 400) and practically ALL of the distance events( 800, 1500, 1600, 3200, Mile. Many more in relays and field events which I will not even count.
California male athletes currently hold the National High school records in the 400, 800, 3000, 3200, 300 hurdles, 4X400, 4X800, Sprint Medley, Long Jump
Again, are you kidding me?
You also have to remember, only 9 athletes qualify for State in Texas... and they won't always be the top 9 athletes in the state (some regions are stronger than others in the varying events). Maybe comparing the average top-5 performance for each event would be a better measure.
Ash Ketchum wrote:
Think of the children!!! wrote:3200 - Lukas Verzbicas, Illinois
Wasn't his record during the Pre 2 mile race? On the Texas State Meet results it still listed German Fernandez's 8:34 as the national record.
Fernandez has the Federation record because the Federation records only go through the state meets. Same with Robinson's 400m... all the records listed on the TX State Meet results as national records are the NFHS Federation records, not the commonly accepted High School records (which include Summer results).
Sanya Richards holds a legacy record , not the federnation record...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field
You will find the California hold nearly double the amount of national records as any other state
Also, Lukas Verzbicas technically holds the 2 mile record, not the 3200(German Fernandez).
This is an example of why people say Texas is faster...
Top-5 averages from 2011 -
100m: Texas 10.41/11.75, California 10.66/11.87
200m: Texas 21.17/23.77, California 21.47/24.22
400m: Texas 47.20/54.34, California 47.78/54.69
800m: California 1:50.42/2:07.54, Texas 1:51.92/2:13.46
1600m: California 4:05.38/4:44.17, Texas 4:09.64/4:57.31
3200m: California 8:52.20/10:19.98, Texas 9:03.07/10:18.55
HH: Texas 13.73/13.88, California 14.37/13.91
300H: Texas 36.70/42.18, California 37.72/42.46
4x100m: Texas 40.79/46.35, California 41.59/46.52
4x400m: Texas 3:14.64/3:45.40, California 3:15.21/3:46.31
... California only ahead in the distance races, and Texas also has the 4x200m while California does not.