One reason OWS doesn't have a clear, concise message is because it's made up of so many people with different backgrounds and ideologies - conservatives, liberals, leftists, ron paul supporters etc. It's a collection of people just pissed off at the way things are. It's numbers are growing, message or no message.
Yatha Sidrha wrote:
This is sickening. These UC Davis students are sitting down nonviolently and the campus police officer just sprays them like bugs. If this isn't fascist behavior then I don't know what is. The chancellor is being called upon to resign. The officer should be fired immediately. There is no justification at all for the action. There was no threat to the officer. In fact, the use of force is rarely questioned beyond civilian review boards but the actual rulings themselves usually side with the police. Maybe now more people, other than minorities, will see exactly how the police can act and begin putting police in their proper place at the feet of the people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&feature=youtu.be!
That was just horrible....
Can anybody put that in perspective. What justification did the cops give for pepper spraying those students?
They were just sitting there on their own campus.
Did something happen before.
How can anyone support what they did in that video.
Apparently there was no provocation other than an order to move. Police in other jurisdictions have simply cuffed the protestors and physically carried them off. These guys though just wanted to brutalize the students plain and simple. This may become a semi-iconic moment in these protests. Or at least, it feels like it should be.
Here's a little more info and interesting comments/ary.
http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html
I guess next time they will move.
How Republican you conservatives are, operating a sick Orwellian paradigm system. Don't you realize they are destroying this country and taking us on a suicidal, delusional, meaningless ride into hell? (Most current conservative leaders are Fascists, and those who follow them are amoral sheep from hell).
84 years old - I guess she learned her lesson too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/occupy-movement-iconic-image-martyrdom
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&*%^ wrote:
I see a bunch of ordinary citizens exercising their right to speak, with one &^%& head cop deciding that he'll hide behind a badge to spray a kid with pepper spray, point blank in the face.
If you celebrate this, get the &^&!! out of America, now.
The protesters were making no bones about trying to disrupt businesses and traffic. It was actually a goal of theirs. They don't need to do that to speak. And if they act like this, they can expect to be pepper sprayed when they don't listen to the police. The police in portland have been way more than fair with these childish "protesters" who aren't going to help get anything done. You can keep blabbing about the 99% and all that crap, but this is indisputable--this movement has very little public support now because of their silly tactics and they are not going to have any influence on business or politics. They are wasting an opportunity.
fat cheeks wrote:
&*%^ wrote:I see a bunch of ordinary citizens exercising their right to speak, with one &^%& head cop deciding that he'll hide behind a badge to spray a kid with pepper spray, point blank in the face.
If you celebrate this, get the &^&!! out of America, now.
The protesters were making no bones about trying to disrupt businesses and traffic. It was actually a goal of theirs. They don't need to do that to speak. And if they act like this, they can expect to be pepper sprayed when they don't listen to the police. The police in portland have been way more than fair with these childish "protesters" who aren't going to help get anything done. You can keep blabbing about the 99% and all that crap, but this is indisputable--this movement has very little public support now because of their silly tactics and they are not going to have any influence on business or politics. They are wasting an opportunity.
You are a sick person... You know that right?
Pepper spray should only be used when violence is imminent. These people were doing nothing other than sitting....THEY WERE NOT A THREAT TO ANYONE….
There is no excuse for what was done...I am a moderate and I was shocked by what i saw in that video.
I have never thought about joing a AWS protest before but I will be there next weekend in my local state capital becuse of what I saw in the video. It is not right. Something is definnatly wrong with our system if that is allowed.
Bullsh*t. Egyptians right now are talking about toppling the military there. You don't see the Egyptian military macing their people. The fact is that the US police force has become militarized so their response to a lot of situations is way over the top.How about answering why Egyptian authorities exercise more restraint than American authorities. What does it say about us in the US?And for your information: the 99% movement has widespread support, and is involved in over 1000 cities worldwide. Maybe you should read the news a bit and not flaunt your ignorance. The tactics you call silly, nonviolence, led to the desegregation of the south, to Ghandi's wins in India, to turning popular support away from the Vietnam war (think the Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire). It's called courage wimpyman. And frankly, I imagine most of the 99% respect courage. Maybe you should go find some.
fat cheeks wrote:
&*%^ wrote:I see a bunch of ordinary citizens exercising their right to speak, with one &^%& head cop deciding that he'll hide behind a badge to spray a kid with pepper spray, point blank in the face.
If you celebrate this, get the &^&!! out of America, now.
The protesters were making no bones about trying to disrupt businesses and traffic. It was actually a goal of theirs. They don't need to do that to speak. And if they act like this, they can expect to be pepper sprayed when they don't listen to the police. The police in portland have been way more than fair with these childish "protesters" who aren't going to help get anything done. You can keep blabbing about the 99% and all that crap, but this is indisputable--this movement has very little public support now because of their silly tactics and they are not going to have any influence on business or politics. They are wasting an opportunity.
Total Knob wrote:
84 years old - I guess she learned her lesson too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/18/occupy-movement-iconic-image-martyrdom
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That is so messed up. Did she die as a result of such treatment?
fat cheeks wrote:
The protesters were making no bones about trying to disrupt businesses and traffic. It was actually a goal of theirs. They don't need to do that to speak. And if they act like this, they can expect to be pepper sprayed when they don't listen to the police. The police in portland have been way more than fair with these childish "protesters" who aren't going to help get anything done. You can keep blabbing about the 99% and all that crap, but this is indisputable--this movement has very little public support now because of their silly tactics and they are not going to have any influence on business or politics. They are wasting an opportunity.
If that's your assessment of the situation, then I'm sure you'll support the disciplinary proceedings against these police officers for assault? After all, if they expect Occupy supporters to obey the law, then the police should too, and it is against the guidelines of the police to pepper spray anyone unless they pose a PHYSICAL threat to the police or others.
As you admit that the protesters were only disrupting businesses and traffic, you will also have to admit that they weren't threatening or using violence against the police or others. Therefore, unless you want to be seen as a hypocritical coward, we can expect your support when the time to punish these lawbreaking stormtroopers comes around?
BTW, can you tell me what sort of physical threat an 84-year-old woman would pose to the police?
http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/84-year-old-woman-pepper-sprayed-by-seattle-police-at-occupy-protests/An 84 yo lady has no business being out there with this riotous bunch in the first place. You people are using these types of people just like the viet cong used little children to deliver their bombs. You WANT the frail out there. And you WANT them to get pepper sprayed. Or better yet, shot! If you people had any dignity at all you would have advised the lady to stay home knowing that things have a history of getting completely out of hand at these so called protests. You know your movement is all about anarchy and violence, yet you bring these guinea pigs down to say see!!!! You people are like terrorists using human sheilds. No, let me correst that. You people ARE terrorists!!! This poor old lady was nothing but a human shield. It just shows how desperate and dispicable you losers are. I hope you fail miserably. I hope the rich get richer! I have a new fondness for the rich because of you slobs and your attempts at blackmail. I hope none of you ever get a job. I hope you all suffer in the streets. I hope soon you're all living in dumpsters picking the rotten meat off the bones of a year old carcass. And I hope ALL OWS protesters burn in fukking hell!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, desperate much?
Read this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016792324_rainey18m.html
. Any evidence that the "poor old lady" was coerced to be at the protest, or to stand where she did? Looks to me like Dorli Rainey is more lucid than you!
As for wanting anyone an 84-year-old to get pepper sprayed, the only people who wanted that was the stormtrooper who pulled the trigger.
The ONLY justification any police officer has for pepper spraying anyone is if he feels physically threatened, or if he is protecting another person from physical threat (that's in the police manual).
Do you think the fully riot-geared police officer who pepper sprayed an 84-year-old woman felt physically threatened by her? You obviously support the assaulting of old ladies - what is wrong with you?
You've made it very clear you love terrorism and terrorists and hate America so go pick out your dumpster cause that's where you belong.
Me and total knob are gonna go in the back showers and talk about OWS. I'll get my rights!
You're out of luck. TK only jumps in bed with terrorists
Total Knob wrote:
Wow, desperate much?
Read this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016792324_rainey18m.html. Any evidence that the "poor old lady" was coerced to be at the protest, or to stand where she did? Looks to me like Dorli Rainey is more lucid than you!
As for wanting anyone an 84-year-old to get pepper sprayed, the only people who wanted that was the stormtrooper who pulled the trigger.
The ONLY justification any police officer has for pepper spraying anyone is if he feels physically threatened, or if he is protecting another person from physical threat (that's in the police manual).
Do you think the fully riot-geared police officer who pepper sprayed an 84-year-old woman felt physically threatened by her? You obviously support the assaulting of old ladies - what is wrong with you?
Police are gangsters. They are extremely thin skinned and disrespected and moved to violence by anybody who does appear sufficiently submissive.
Brutality wrote:
An 84 yo lady has no business being out there with this riotous bunch in the first place. You people are using these types of people just like the viet cong used little children to deliver their bombs. You WANT the frail out there. And you WANT them to get pepper sprayed. Or better yet, shot! If you people had any dignity at all you would have advised the lady to stay home knowing that things have a history of getting completely out of hand at these so called protests. You know your movement is all about anarchy and violence, yet you bring these guinea pigs down to say see!!!! You people are like terrorists using human sheilds. No, let me correst that. You people ARE terrorists!!! This poor old lady was nothing but a human shield. It just shows how desperate and dispicable you losers are. I hope you fail miserably. I hope the rich get richer! I have a new fondness for the rich because of you slobs and your attempts at blackmail. I hope none of you ever get a job. I hope you all suffer in the streets. I hope soon you're all living in dumpsters picking the rotten meat off the bones of a year old carcass. And I hope ALL OWS protesters burn in fukking hell!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you're a troll
Because saying stuff like this will only encourage moderates to join the movement in mass.
And you do know that more people in the OWS movement have jobs than people in the Tea Party. These are normal people out there you just don't want to see it.
Terrorists?
If these people scare you, you should probably seek help.