hahahahaha, what's going to happen when they start going to replays? Everyone's going to protest. Future telecasts will devote more time to the sprints. Less time to distance.
hahahahaha, what's going to happen when they start going to replays? Everyone's going to protest. Future telecasts will devote more time to the sprints. Less time to distance.
It's not just his left leg that twitches: his whole body springs just slightly. You can see his right leg twitch a little bit, and his butt rises just a little bit.
I am 100% that he's not looking back there and have been from the get go. He would have a much better chance of seeing the guy's chest move ever so slightly from breathing versus seeing his leg move less than an inch. I sprinted and you would not see that and the sound part of it, as I pointed out, from the blocks is hogwash as well. With it being that quiet at least 4 other sprinters would have heard it.
Sorry, but you are digging far to deep into this. Bolt is focused on sound first and is anticipating the gun. As said a jillion times before, he would have went right up to the officials and said his leg made me false start, but he didn't. This is beyond funny at this point....he saw she saw:)
More sensationalist reporting on the front page
Twitching does not constite a false start unless suffient force is applied to the blocks to register it, or the official has to see it. They can't examine the video in slow mo afterwards several times like the Brojos have done
Bolt start was not triggered by this as he knew he was out straight away. If he'd seen the twitch he would have waited assuming Blake would be DQ'd. He didn't even glance at him or lodge any protest
If you want to continue the argument answer why Bolt immediately knew he was DQ'd and ripped his shirt off
Semis! wrote:
May have been mentioned already, but for those who didn't watch the earlier semi-final Dwain Chambers was DQed for a very subtle flinch also. He's rocking because it's on loop. The 2nd video shows the Blake flinch at a comparable angle, showing the two are similar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gSaJQ7LLHU#t=3m55shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by_VzOiPhZM#t=1m50s
Several seemed to move slightly in that second link. Shall we DQ them all?
If the twitch is so small that the sensors in the block don't measure it or so insignificant that an official isn't able to observe it, then it isn't significant enough for a DQ. Nice way for the brojos to troll their own site, but nothing to see here.
And look at the slowmo video, Bolt is moving from the very begining, even before the flinch.
i honestly hate you rojo, stop making a big deal out of something to get attention. i can't even see the flinch after 10 replays, how do you expect a starter to see it for the first time? you sir, are the biggest idiot i've ever seen
You ought to get off the boards and get your eyes checked, probably improve the quality of your life tenfold.
The Guardian is onboard with rojo:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/aug/29/usain-bolt-yohan-blake-twitch-disqualification
Bolt didn't false start. He is faster than the gun.
Wejo and Rojo need to change their titles from co-founder to co-conspirator
flaggylite wrote:
The Guardian is onboard with rojo:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/aug/29/usain-bolt-yohan-blake-twitch-disqualification
Glad to see people are supporting us on this one.
Does anyone know how to contact the writer Andy Bull? He really should use the time stamp when he says judge for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiIDlaujtZc&feature=player_embedded#t=13sApparently Ato Boldon has even talked about the twitch and he admitted the obvious - Blake twitched but Boldon said that Bolt should be focused on his own lane.
My main point is if the starter had benefit of our replay that he wouldn't DQ Bolt. It's like when there is a minor noise in the crowd. Maybe a green card or dq or warning for blake. But no way Bolt should be DQd.
You are supposed to react to the SOUND of the gun. Did Bolt go sudddenly deaf? Where was the sound of the gun?
The twitch did not register - enuff with the twitch. What remains is that Bolt jumped the gun
rojo wrote:
My main point is if the starter had benefit of our replay that he wouldn't DQ Bolt. It's like when there is a minor noise in the crowd. Maybe a green card or dq or warning for blake. But no way Bolt should be DQd.
Are you advocating that replay should be instituted in track?
Can you imagine the delays that they were hoping to avoid in the first place?
The starter and recall starter just weren't going to catch this twitch with their naked eye.
Bolt did not protest in any way, and that is what sealed his DQ.
If we are talking about rule changes how about this:
One false start and you are done.
But it has to be an actual false start with forward movement. Any twitch would just cause a recall and restart, no DQ.
If someone jumps and it is determined that an outside factor caused this, then there would be a recall with no DQ.
This would be more of a refined interpretation than a rule change.
But Bolt would have to point to Blake or something to get this recall and the official can make a determination from there.
Nothing shown or discussed here has made me think that the wrong call was made in this situation.
Are you advocating that replay should be instituted in track?
Can you imagine the delays that they were hoping to avoid in the first place?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't replay used to determine or reinforce that there was a lane violation or zone violation in a relay?
I agree and I saw it. I was alone and I yelled it out at nobody that the guy next to Bolt moved. That's a false start or just a restart with everyone running.
Bolt got screwed by bad officiating and by a lousy rule.
runn wrote:
That's a false start or just a restart with everyone running.
Bolt got screwed by bad officiating and by a lousy rule.
Don't trouble yourself with the actual rule book then. You apparently already know it all.
toro wrote:
Not very clear, first of all.
Secondly, things happen in real time, once. Not slow motion, looked at over and over.
The starter's naked eye would never be able to catch any twitching happening here.
There are pressure-sensing electronic blocks.
Blake did not set them off. Bolt did.
It's the starter's discretion to judge if there was a distraction and he can allow the whole field to go again if this was something other than simply jumping the gun.
But Bolt immediately took off his shirt, shook his head and accepted it as his false start.
This is Bolt's DQ. Very clear.
+1
My thoughts exactly.
Aware of this Blake-Bolt controversy, I've been watching the other sprints today, which are mainly women's, with an eye toward detecting that kind of "flinching." I've seen at least two instances of it, more obvious ones than Blake's. Neither was called, of course. It's likely a pretty common phenonmenon.
rojo wrote:
I've deleted a number of posts from people who don't know the rule book or who didn't bother to read the piece we have on this.
Here are the other relevant rules. No flinching is allowed.
1) From Rule 162.5. "On the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' as the case may be, all athletes shall at once and without delay assume their full and final set position."
2) From Rule 162.5. "After the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' if an athlete disturbs other athletes in the race through sound or otherwise, the Starter shall abort the start."
3) From Rule 162.8. "The Starter should warn or disqualify only such athlete or athletes who, in his opinion, were responsible for the false start."
Ha. You mean you deleted some posts from people who don't agree with you. You're losing my respect more and more with every post you write.