lol@tards.. wrote:
in the world i live in, 3:30/3:46 and 3:33/3:48 aren't identical... they're barely in the same ballpark...
maybe, but a conversion just told me that 3:48mile equals a 3:31 1500m. One second difference is close enough considering their other larger differences.
no magical conversion is going to make 3:48 one second slower than 3:46... and two seconds is NOT close in a mile race...
This thread only highlights the fact of what a true talent Alan Webb is, i have no clue why he has not ran well the last couple of years but if i had to guess its a combination of many things. We can only hope he gets them worked out and he returns to his form of old.
lol@tards.. wrote:
no magical conversion is going to make 3:48 one second slower than 3:46... and two seconds is NOT close in a mile race...
i was talking about their 1500m times, but i guess Webb's 3:$6 would be equal to a 3:29ish. but those 1-2 seconds do not make up for Mottram's FIFTEEN seconds in the 5k. man what were we even discussing. i forgot what the point was haha
another dude wrote:
but those 1-2 seconds do not make up for Mottram's FIFTEEN seconds in the 5k.
i wasn't discussing the 5k, only your statement that webb and mottram were "identical" in the 1500/mile...
no me me me wrote:
lol lol lol lol wrote:When has Webb run an open 400 in under 48? Or relayed a 400 in under 47?
high school
Nope.
Webb had a nice run , solid times.
Did he ever get his college degree to prep for his next stage of life beyond running ?
sub 48 relay leg it was 47.low in high school like with in a couple of weeks of his sub 4 HS mile
everyone is mentioning some nice 800m, mile and other times...but what about the 400m time?
thoreau wrote:
...aside from Alan Webb?
Aouita, El G, Lagat, Morceli, Ngeny, Cacho, Baala, (Kipchirchir) Komen, Niyongabo, and about a half dozen others. Just answering the question.
steve "red" wrote:
sub 48 relay leg it was 47.low in high school like with in a couple of weeks of his sub 4 HS mile
Yep, and that = a low-mid 48 out of the blocks.
people don't seem to realise what an awesome talent this guy was
he wasn't just running 800 & 10k to show-off, but to develop the range
he ran 1'43.8 one year which went out too fast for him & wouda been low/mid-1'43 off slower 1st lap
he ran 27'34 in a friendly tt with him & ritz sharing alternate laps - easily in 27'20 - 27'25 range in a euro race with africans
now, i'm first to admit, that it's virtually impossible to believe he coud be in low/mid - 1'43 / 27'20 - 27'25 shape simultaneously ( because if he had been such in peking, he wouda blown away the field, including ramzi, anyway he wanted to )
more for academic, theoretical interest, if he couda had both in '08, then a line of fit wouda been ( absolute limit ) :
from :
47.80 / 1'43.30 ->3'26.8 !!! , 3'43.5 , 4'43.7 , 7'22.5 , 12'53.0 , 27'22.0
in effect, he was aiming to be a slightly inferior version of hicham
more realistically, i think aiming to have had 1'44.0 / 27'35 in '08 couda been just about possible, giving a line of fit of :
48.10 / 1'44.00 -> 3'28.3 , 3'45.1 , 4'45.8 , 7'25.8 , 12'58.9 , 27'35.3
that wouda been still been good enough to have won gold ( actually crossing line 1st before a doped up ramzi ) if he'd run reasonably sensibly
he hasn't got the medals, but the guy, imo, was the best potential 1500 talent we've seen since end of hicham
I heard Mottram trains in Nike Shocks.
'Are you seriously calling Alan Webb a loser?'
Well to have such talent and wind up doing what he has what else is there? Of course he is not a loser but compared to Said Aouita he was. For someone to come on here banging on about what great times he ran, well what is he doing right now - an he's still young as well
Well I do coach athletes but you know that one thing that makes a great coach, a great athlete. He's had injuries recently but to run 3:30 one year but to do that and one year later be running 11 seconds slower and fail to make the Olympics I just don't get it. He's also never done much in championships given his times - at least run a decent time if you are going to get outsprinted
5th IAAF World Athletics Final 4 f 3:38.84 Stuttgart 23/09/2007
11th IAAF World Championships in Athletics 8 f 3:35.69 Osaka 29/08/2007
10th IAAF World Championships in Athletics 9 f 3:41.04 Helsinki 10/08/2005
28th Olympic Games 9 h 3:41.25 Athína (Olympic Stadium) 20/08/2004
I wouldn't mention drugs either! I would compare him less to PR (who had a blood test instead of the normal urine after her world record as they do at London M - 100x harder to beat) and more to our own 400m runner CO. She also seems to running slowly and 'injured' a lot since getting more puntual with her tests!
ukathleticscoach wrote:I would compare him less to PR (who had a blood test instead of the normal urine after her world record as they do at London M - 100x harder to beat)
actually that is wrong
the EPO test was developed for urine - there wasn't one developed by WADA for serum EPO detection ( just high haematocrit detection ), as virtually all tests on athletes at the time were urine tests ( cyclists may have been different, but those tests were for haematocrits ), so no money was spent on developing a blood test
i'm sure she had both urine & blood tests after her run, but if she only had a blood test & no urine done, it woudn't have been any good for EPO detection as no validated test for EPO detection in serum existed
another dude wrote:maybe, but a conversion just told me that 3:48mile equals a 3:31 1500m. One second difference is close enough considering their other larger differences.
mottram isn't as good as webb as far as 1500 potential goes
his pbs are spread over different years, but picking '06 ( arguably peak year overall ) when he was training for both 1500/5k ( he entered both in commonwealth games ), i reckon a prelim line of fit for him that year was :
49.50 / 1'45.90 -> 3'30.3 , 3'47.1 , 4'47.6 , 7'26.5 , 8'01.9 , 12'55.9 , 27'18.1
he had good potential that year & couda gone into the 3'30s if he'd run a perfect race with a drive from 500 - 600m out utilising his superior 3k/5k ability
World is backwards wrote:
Ha remembering when Webb ran those fast 5 and 10k times many years ago makes me think... WTF did he not stay with Salazar and just train for the 5k/10k...? Better shot @ a medal in those event with his wheels! damn no one running those events currently would have that pure speed. But no.... lets just run the 1500 and have it be a crap shoot the last 300 where almost anyone can f***ing win.....
Moron, when he ran his 5k pr he was like 10th and dropped on the last lap.
webb was unfortunate in that 5k pb
i remember that race well ( i doubt it's on youtube though )
he was running pretty good until last lap, but faded badly with something like a 65s lap to 13'10
that was quite surprising
when he hit the bell, most wouda expected he couda gone at least 60 for the last lap for a 13'05, but it proved 1 lap too long
i'm sure if you can ~ 13'05 pace for 11.5 laps, it's not a huge task to eventually do same for 12.5 laps
ventolin^3 wrote:
i'm sure if you can ~ 13'05 pace for 11.5 laps, it's not a huge task to eventually do same for 12.5 laps
As far as I know, runners are getting slower the longer the distance. The best averages over the Mile are slower than the best over 1500m. If there exists a 5001m race, I'm sure that the average will be slower than over 5000m (given enough data).
Sorry, but your comment is not very intelligent.
'i'm sure she had both urine & blood tests after her run, but if she only had a blood test & no urine done, it woudn't have been any good for EPO detection as no validated test for EPO detection in serum existed'
Good point
Blood test does go further back for other ped's though