Would you trust a "birther" to teach your child?

aww sleet sleet wrote:

Oh Barry wrote:

Obama has produced a Certification of Live Birth. It is NOT a birth certificate.

The idea that a certification of live birth is not a legally valid birth certificate is a myth constructed by good birther robots like yourself. Repeating it over and over again does not make it true. John Boehner figured it out, why can't you?

Speaking of robots, how are you lefties able to march in lockstep on every issue like robots?

T-man wrote:

Suppose I told you that the Earth was flat. You disagree with me on the basis of a goddamn mountain of factual support. I respond by saying, nope, it's flat - I guess we just agree to disagree. Guess what? Our positions do not have equal merit. I am a f***ing horse's ass for thinking that the earth is flat, and you will either 1) be infinitely frustrated by my outright denial of obvious facts, or 2) draw the immediate conclusion that I'm a f***ing moron and a waste of your breath. Welcome to dialogue in America.

Sorry to break it to you, but the new mantra of the right is (and yes, some on the left too, but this is much more prevalent on the right) -

don't trust the "experts", don't trust "mainstream" facts given to you, don't even trust science (it's the same as religion really). Google it yourself, and find the answer you are looking for. It will be there somewhere. Make your own truth, your own facts. All beliefs are just that, beliefs. Mine are as good as yours. Then blog about it or argue your point on the interwebs.

SomeActualData wrote:

I think it's really useful to know when someone is a "birther." I mean, I don't try to explain things to my dogs, like how the world is really round even though it appears flat and stuff like that. They wouldn't get it, at all, and it would just be a complete waste of my time.

Same thing with "birthers."

But I do like to mess with them. Just tell them that Obama's people cooked up the birth issue to distract his most serious critics from what they're *really* up to, which is ...

And then there are the lefty kooks that claim 911 was an inside job and that Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans.

Morons on both sides, folks1

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

Sorry to break it to you, but the new mantra of the right is (and yes, some on the left too, but this is much more prevalent on the right) -

don't trust the "experts", don't trust "mainstream" facts given to you, don't even trust science (it's the same as religion really).

"Tune in, Turn on, Drop out."

-Richard Nixon

Right?

You lefties invented not trusting "the man" and "f*** the system". Don't be so uptight, man. We're all just people being people.

Although, to my knowledge, there are no democratic congressmen running around enabling the 911/Katrina nonsense.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/28/birther_enablers

My daughter's first grade teacher frequently sends her home with assignments that contain incorrect spelling and arithmetic. We don't really care though, because her teacher is a bleeding heart liberal and even has one of those cool bedazzler Obama jean jackets, which is obviously the most important thing.

Sorry to break it to me? It seems we agree on this - not sure where the argument is.

About 80% of the country is a fixed vote (Rep or Dem). Their opinion does not change with facts, scandals, etc. This is the perfect scenario for politicians because these people are easily manipulated and kept in their political corner with hot button "news" stories that get them emotionally involved. The real political battle is for the 20% or less who actually read news and get it from factual sources and opposing views. These people see a bigger picture and are really the decision makers in an election (for the most part). Which do you want your children to be?

Again; salon.com is a venomous site. I refuse to click on their link.

think about it wrote:

Although, to my knowledge, there are no democratic congressmen running around enabling the 911/Katrina nonsense.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/28/birther_enablers

Big John wrote:

My daughter's first grade teacher frequently sends her home with assignments that contain incorrect spelling and arithmetic. We don't really care though, because her teacher is a bleeding heart liberal and even has one of those cool bedazzler Obama jean jackets, which is obviously the most important thing.

Well said!

I'll grant you that salon is a pretty biased site. How about this one?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/12/politics/main6671974.shtml

Senator Vitter

RealityCheck wrote:

About 80% of the country is a fixed vote (Rep or Dem). Their opinion does not change with facts, scandals, etc. This is the perfect scenario for politicians because these people are easily manipulated and kept in their political corner with hot button "news" stories that get them emotionally involved. The real political battle is for the 20% or less who actually read news and get it from factual sources and opposing views. These people see a bigger picture and are really the decision makers in an election (for the most part). Which do you want your children to be?

You are correct, to a point. About 40% of the population is base D, another 40% R. The 20% in the middle make up the difference, which is why our biggest landslides are about 60-40 splits (1936, 1964, 1972, 1984). However, you wrongly assume that this means the base of each party is brainwashed and the undecideds are the thoughtful ones. Some part of both bases are the brainwashed morons, with ghettoes on the one side and trailer parks on the other (as an aside, I wonder what the breakdown of that group would be--if both sides had to do without the ignorant in their base?). But lots of the "base voters" are there because they have a coherent and well-thought-out political philosophy. if the parties' positions were to change, so would they. But in the current reality, I don't need to re-acquaint myself with Red vs. Blue stereotypes every even-numbered year. And a significant portion of the swing voters are malleable because they are ignorant. With no background knowledge and no well-ordered political value system, they are the ones most likely to vote for good hair, cool slogans, and empty speechifying. Emotions are good for feeling with, but they are lousy for thinking with (and just as bad for voting with).

At younger ages it is not much of a challenge. Most students will believe what their teacher tells them. Their brains are like spunges. If you are looking for students to be challenged wait until high school or college.

It should be the parents responsiblity to teach their own children regarding these issues. If we allow curriculum to dictate the beliefs of our children than we might as well be communists. Brainwashing kids to believe what the state wants to teach us is a pretty scary thing.

Governments push for a secular society is a form of religious persecution.

No actual sane person believes the "birther" myths. Even the Republican leadership admits that the birthers are delusional morons with IQs in single digits, but that's why they vote conservative.

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yeah, well, if you accept that american republicans who vote are sane, then most of them actually do have doubts that Obama was born in the US.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/02/romney-and-birthers.html

excerpt: Birthers make a majority among those voters who say they're likely to participate in a Republican primary next year. 51% say they don't think Barack Obama was born in the United States to just 28% who firmly believe that he was and 21% who are unsure.

Funny - I live in a big coastal city and grew up in a big coastal city. My childhood friends have scattered across the country, but the ones in the central states have mostly become right wing Christian birthers, while the ones who stayed on the coasts are generally liberal to moderate. Chicken or egg?

Regardless, in the central states it must be a common to chat over the hedge with your neighbor about birthism, how they have to take the country back, etc. Just as on the coasts we talked about how Bush 2 was the worst president ever and how Halliburton was evil.

Am I the only one who finds those stats to be ASTOUNDING! 51% OF LIKELY VOTERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THINK OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN THE US. This is confirmation that the majority of republicans are out of their fvcking mind! This says a lot about the state of mind of the republican voter.

If there is a poll that comes out that says the majority of Dem voters think 911 was a inside job, then this country has gone off the deep end.

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy

Submitted by Thomas Hargrove on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 14:33

National News News Politics

By THOMAS HARGROVE

Scripps Howard News Service

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" _ the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet _ quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.

Seventy percent of people who give credence to these theories also say they've become angrier with the federal government than they used to be.

Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

"One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right," said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 commission.) His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al Qaeda five years ago.

"A lot of people I've encountered believe the U.S. government was involved," Hamilton said. "Many say the government planned the whole thing. Of course, we don't think the evidence leads that way at all."

The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

Conspiracy groups for at least two years have also questioned why the World Trade Center collapsed when fires that heavily damaged similar skyscrapers around the world did not cause such destruction. Sixteen percent said it's "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that "the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings."

Twelve percent suspect the Pentagon was struck by a military cruise missile in 2001 rather than by an airliner captured by terrorists.

A lot of that 33% who think 911 was an inside job are probably govt hating republican right wingers. I know there are some far left whackos in that 33%, but it doesnt come close to the 51% of repubs who are loony enough to think Obama wasnt born in the US.

No problem some people believe in a Birth Certificate that have never seen based on faith and some people believe in a God they have never seen based on faith.

Bobby1 wrote:

No problem some people believe in a Birth Certificate that have never seen based on faith and some people believe in a God they have never seen based on faith.

Hey shit for brains, how many links have been posted on this site with Obama's birth certificate? Yet idiot Fox News robots like youself claim no one has ever seen Obama's birth certificate? The depth of you people's ignorance is unbelievable.