Colorado Men: 15th place

Isn't it obvious? Colorado doesn't recruit or give scholarships to non U.S. citizens.

If you look at the womens top 5, Colorado was 6th but they were the 1st among all United States citizen teams.

I repeat, Colarado Buf womens won the United States NCAA womens cross country championships.

So basically they can't compete with the schools that pad the programs with foreigners.

It's a Wetmore thing. Against his principles. And he has high ones. I wonder if when he retires will the next coach recruit a bunch of foreign athlets. Or maybe they will fire him. I kind of admire him. He gives scholarships to a lot of in state local kids.

To bad Matt Tebo never panned out! ....poor guy never improved one little bit in college.

RuKiddingMe! wrote:

To bad Matt Tebo never panned out! ....poor guy never improved one little bit in college.

Didn't he run 13:52 or thereabouts for 5k indoors a few years ago? I haven't kept up, but that was one result I thought I saw. He should be running much better than he did today. Could be a variety of things, so I can't judge the program at all.

I bet he was under a lot of pressure from his big brother.

They were actually only 37 points from 10th so not so bad. A top 10 finish is always solid in that meet.

Jay Johnson left...and with that, the recruiting left.

unfortunately they didnt beat syracuse... a team i was hoping to do worse than 14th but hey

Yes I too was disappointed with Colorado's men's results today. The top two guys performed well, but the rest of the bunch did not have a very good day.. I have always hoped Tebo would come on strong in Cross, but no so such luck. He has had some decent track performances, but his improvement has been slight since high school so far. What happened this season to the older Medina, was he hurt all season?

Peaches wrote:

Isn't it obvious? Colorado doesn't recruit or give scholarships to non U.S. citizens.

If you look at the womens top 5, Colorado was 6th but they were the 1st among all United States citizen teams.

I repeat, Colarado Buf womens won the United States NCAA womens cross country championships.

So basically they can't compete with the schools that pad the programs with foreigners.

It's a Wetmore thing. Against his principles. And he has high ones. I wonder if when he retires will the next coach recruit a bunch of foreign athlets. Or maybe they will fire him. I kind of admire him. He gives scholarships to a lot of in state local kids.

This is just retarded. Im VERY happy they dont recruit non-US citizens but thats not why they are so bad. Take out Okstates Mecheso and Farrel, Wisco's One canadian Ahmed, they still kill CU.

What about Indiana, Stanford, Oklahoma and Oregon?? All American Teams. Its the lack of recruiting becuase Jay Johnsons Gone. Look at the Colordains they all missed out on:

48 Wes Rickman SO

54 Joe Manilafasha FR

62 Steven Weeks JR

84 Kevin Williams SO

127 Dey Tuach JR

184 Walter Schafer FR

not counting Fauble, Perry, D.Nicolls, B.Nicolls, Apple, Berberick, Schwaderer, K.Johnson all foot locker/Nike qualifiers except perry (9:12 in Colorado HS)

Other schools are getting the better athletes. Colorado had its run , now its the other schools turn. Good coach , average coach , you recruit well win and your a genius. ( might even get a book written about you )

No talent you become average as Colorado is now.

Cut the pony tail wrote:

Other schools are getting the better athletes. Colorado had its run , now its the other schools turn. Good coach , average coach , you recruit well win and your a genius. ( might even get a book written about you )

No talent you become average as Colorado is now.

I mostly agree, but Wetmore is not an average coach. I don't care how you slice it, CU NEVER had the recruiting classes the likes of Stanford in the 90s or Oregon in the 00s, and there were still in the hunt almost every year, with half a squad of guys who you had never heard of before they went to CU.

Now someone like Vin... cream of the crop year after year after year, you had better be winning some titles.

15th is far from the top, but it's a lot farther from the bottom. They're still pretty good. Women did pretty well today. Agree that recruiting isn't as good...maybe it's too much of a grind to go out and compete for kids. I sure wouldn't be interested in doing it.

Hold on, WHO on Georgetown's women's team is not from the United States? And Villanova has a Serbian girl and a Canadian (Toronto). The rest are from the Tri-state and surrounding areas. Not exactly "padded" with foreigners. AND anyways, what is the problem with bringing in kids from other countries who want to work super hard to get a good education and run fast? I would think the really good athletes welcome foreign competition in the NCAA. If they are any good, it prepares them to race international competition when they are finished with school. I have a feeling a real recent CU grad was pretty happy to be challenged so often by one of the most dominant (foreign) female runners in recent NCAA history (hint: begins with an S and ends with an ally Kipyego). Kind of a big part of what made her so hungry to beat the best.

Please look at CU's team and tell me where there are missing talent?

Peaches wrote:

It's a Wetmore thing. Against his principles.

Is sucking one of his principles?

nerp wrote:

I mostly agree, but Wetmore is not an average coach. I don't care how you slice it, CU NEVER had the recruiting classes the likes of Stanford in the 90s or Oregon in the 00s, and there were still in the hunt almost every year, with half a squad of guys who you had never heard of before they went to CU.

Now someone like Vin... cream of the crop year after year after year, you had better be winning some titles.

I'm not going to say Wetmore is not a good coach, but to suggest that Colorado was so successful without top recruits is absurd. Adam Goucher (might be old for this purpose), Jorge Torres, Ed Torres, Steve Slattery, Ritz, Billy Nelson, Brent Vaughn, Bret Schoolmeester, Erik Heinonen, just to name a some. Outside of Stanford, Oregon, and Wisconsin, there aren't any teams that can compare with that sort of talent over a 10 year period (and the Oregon rebirth is relatively new). You can't act as though Colorado didn't have top recruits.

CU would have been around 5th possibly 4th had their 5th runner not been sick and run where he had been all year

Peaches wrote:

Isn't it obvious? Colorado doesn't recruit or give scholarships to non U.S. citizens.

If you look at the womens top 5, Colorado was 6th but they were the 1st among all United States citizen teams.

I repeat, Colarado Buf womens won the United States NCAA womens cross country championships.

So basically they can't compete with the schools that pad the programs with foreigners.

It's a Wetmore thing. Against his principles. And he has high ones. I wonder if when he retires will the next coach recruit a bunch of foreign athlets. Or maybe they will fire him. I kind of admire him. He gives scholarships to a lot of in state local kids.

xenophobia's a principle?

Just As Northern Arizona would have been top 2 if David McNeil ran even close to what he has for the past 2 years, Just as if Krause of Wisconsin doesnt unexpectedly "walk" the last 2k and drop nearly 100 places wisco would be comfortably second, Just as If stanford didnt lay a fat goose egg 2 years running, they could be the ones celebrating a back to back championship win, Just as Portand University would be 4-5 if they didnt lose for sure all american Joash Osoro for some odd reason mid-season...the list goes on for every team too, probably except FSU and Ok State, they gotta both be pretty darn content wiht what they did. NO EXCUSES. Cut the bullshit, you preform or you dont.

CU has to make a turn around somewhere, agreed they are better than their preformance at NCAAs but they still have some work to do.

As far as talent, I love those "walk-on" kids as they are always 'x' factors, but CU has pulled ONE FOOTLOCKER FINALIST IN THE PAST 2 YEARS. Thats not getting it done with that beautiful of a school and that rich of a history.

On the plus side, Tremblay sp? damn son she did work, hope Allie's Getting healthy