Rizzo came into the group at the wrong time when it was all falling apart, he really didn't know what he was getting himself into. Not sure when he joined the group, maybe the spring? This is not Rizzo's fault. Hartman, wants to be great and he is willing to do whatever possible. Jonesy has left him high and dry a couple of times, while Hartman was always there committed. The only reason why Jorge is probably staying with Jonesy is because of Reebok. Plus Jorge is coming to the end of his career and he would rather play golf then actually run. Ed got injured last summer and retired. Plus wasn't getting better. Troopy has made the biggest sacrifices of anyone in the group and moving his whole family to boulder to train with Jonesy, but might have been a bad decision out of everyone. Cabada left the group in the beginning of the year after being there longer then anyone else but Jorge. Cabada was injured twice in a span of 6 months, so he wanted a change. Josh Glaab was also in the group for way over a year, I know he isn't all that elite, but he has something in common with the rest of the guys. Which is one of my main points, nobody has gotten better under Jonesy, not one guy.
Someone mentioned Hartman's 2:12, the guy is 29 years old and debuted a 2:15 4 years ago, its not like he ran 2:09. He should have already ran 2:12. So I dont think it was Jonesy who got him to the new level.
Cabada winning that US marathon title in 2008, the guy debuted a 2:12 and is the American Record Holder in the 25k back in 2006. That was no surprise.
Jorge made the Olympics summer 2008 in the 10k. He is a 27:42 guy, he better had made it. No PR under Jonesy
No one has received one PR in the history of the group except Hartman in the marathon, which is about 2 1/2 years old. Now why is that? Are all these established athletes thinking too much? Every single one? I doubt that.
The problem is, Jonesy trained everyone the way he was trained. What worked for Jonesy didn't work for the group. Jonesy is just too proud to change and take advice from anyone else. He refuses to use science, he refuses to learn anything.
Thats my two cents............have at it.