1'41.51 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen you obtuse moron. Rodal ran perfect splits in the 1996 Olympic final. I am sick of your stupidity. Get off your arse and get a life. IF you'd had some real world experience, you'd recognize that you are like a man trying to explain the beauty of the Alps but without having ever visited there. By definition, you don't recognize this.

MAPIV wrote:Rodal ran perfect splits in the 1996 Olympic final

f***ing moron

he didn't

now prove you can do simple 5th grade aritmetic & offer quarterly/half splits for 1'42.5 off 2.0 & 2.5s

or f*** off & don't waste my time imbecile

ventolin^3 wrote:

MAPIV wrote:Rodal ran perfect splits in the 1996 Olympic final

f***ing moron

he didn't

now prove you can do simple 5th grade aritmetic & offer quarterly/half splits for 1'42.5 off 2.0 & 2.5s

or f*** off & don't waste my time imbecile

Ever heard of anger management? You should look into counseling. You demand that I do rudimentary arithmetic in order to give you the answer you have decided is correct. I will not as it is futile. Now go see if you can get some anger management counseling.

MAPIV wrote:

You are so stupid it is frightening. Almost no race is perfect. Perfection only exists in your fantasy world. Gray went through in 49.5. Rodal CHOSE to stay behind. The race was perfectly rabbited for Rodal. He NEVER led until the final straight. It was set up perfectly for Rodal. You're an idiot.

I concur 100%

Not only is he an idiot, but he's also an arrogant, deluded and hypocritical IDIOT!

High 50.** is ideal for a mid-high 1:42.

MAPIV is right, Ventolin is wrong!

MAPIV wrote:You demand that I do rudimentary arithmetic in order to give you the answer you have decided is correct. I will not as it is futile

f***ing retard

can't even do 5th grade arithmetic

now moron, do the calcs or don't waste my time

ventolin^3 wrote:

MAPIV wrote:Rodal ran perfect splits in the 1996 Olympic final

f***ing moron

he didn't

now prove you can do simple 5th grade aritmetic & offer quarterly/half splits for 1'42.5 off 2.0 & 2.5s

or f*** off & don't waste my time imbecile

Rodahl's splits were 50.3/52.3.

So there's your 2.0 sec difference.

He had drafting to 600m and didn't have to run wide. He won because he run as close to a perfect race as can be run for him.

And didn't you say the Atlanta track was faster than what should have been permitted by the IAAF?

no

rodahl's splits look 50.7/51.8 from tape - proper vid

it is not a 2s difference

he ran in outer part of lane 1 thru last bend which is not what you run on euro circuit - hug curve all the way round

he ran 3m extra on the curve - nearly 0.4s on that alone upon imperfect splits

atlanta track was illegally fast ( 19.32 nonsense ) for sprinters, but for 800m it woudn't have made much difference - you aren't putting virtually max energy into every stride like 100 - 400m races & human isn't perfect machine - not all energy saved is available for better sprint finish

law of diminishing returns

I love to tickle my balls gently

ventolin^3 wrote:

no

rodahl's splits look 50.7/51.8 from tape - proper vid

it is not a 2s difference

he ran in outer part of lane 1 thru last bend which is not what you run on euro circuit - hug curve all the way round

he ran 3m extra on the curve - nearly 0.4s on that alone upon imperfect splits

atlanta track was illegally fast ( 19.32 nonsense ) for sprinters, but for 800m it woudn't have made much difference - you aren't putting virtually max energy into every stride like 100 - 400m races & human isn't perfect machine - not all energy saved is available for better sprint finish

law of diminishing returns

You are right. Rodahl's 400m split was c.50,3. The camera angle was bad,but there were objects inside the track about

30-40m before and after the finnish line where you can measure how much Rodahl was behind Gray. At c.370m and 430m

point Rodahl was c.0,6-0,7 behind Gray. Gray's split was 49,55, so 50,2-50,3 is correct. But the last curve for Rodahl was less than optimal. Maybe c. 1,5m extra. The man,

who really ran extra meters was Tellez. Maybe as much as

6-7 meters.

MAPIV wrote:

You are so stupid it is frightening. Almost no race is perfect. Perfection only exists in your fantasy world. Gray went through in 49.5. Rodal CHOSE to stay behind. The race was perfectly rabbited for Rodal. He NEVER led until the final straight. It was set up perfectly for Rodal. You're an idiot.

Here's the race again:

I was actually planning to say that the race wasn't perfect. From 400-600 he had to do some serious work to get from 6th place to 2nd. But then I watched it again - 18 seconds into the race he was in 2nd place, right on Gray's shoulder, and could have maintained it, there was no reason the people cutting in from the outside had to be let in right in front of him.

Yeah, Rodal definitely chose to let Gray go to save a little energy for the second lap. His choice.

True, this wasn't a Euro style race where he only had to run in lap 1 the whole way and run exactly 800 meters. But I would argue the strong field, huge stage, and kicking down that home stretch with a headful of fear would have a larger impact on his time than being in some Grand Prix event somewhere. After all...did he ever run faster in one of those "wabbited" affairs?

It looks to me like Rodahl false started. We see him start after we hear the gun, but there is probably a delay of .1 -.2 of a second before we hear the sound. He gets away so much earlier than the others.

wellnow wrote:

It looks to me like Rodahl false started. We see him start after we hear the gun, but there is probably a delay of .1 -.2 of a second before we hear the sound. He gets away so much earlier than the others.

So, Ventolin needs to put that in his equation.

Ventolin has the RAGE. Good God man, chill out.

Rodal's splits from 1996, for those interested (TFNews)

1. Vebjorn Rodal 1:42.58 (OR, NR)

(24.1, 25.8 [49.9], 26.2 [1:16.1]. 26.5)

Acetracking wrote:

You are right. Rodahl's 400m split was c.50,3. The camera angle was bad,but there were objects inside the track about

30-40m before and after the finnish line where you can measure how much Rodahl was behind Gray. At c.370m and 430m

point Rodahl was c.0,6-0,7 behind Gray. Gray's split was 49,55, so 50,2-50,3 is correct. But the last curve for Rodahl was less than optimal. Maybe c. 1,5m extra. The man,

who really ran extra meters was Tellez. Maybe as much as

6-7 meters.

Thanks for that. I used the same technique to work out his 400 split, for as you say, you don't get a clear side on angle as he goes through the bell.

Your estimation of 1.5m extra on the curve is also more accurate than Ventolin's findings. No way was it 3m!

Then again, even in a well paced circuit race, not all the athletes are going to run exactly 800m. Only the one that stays behind the rabbit and doesn't get over taken is going to run as close to 800 as possible. I think 2 or 3 extra metres in the course of a race is to be expected and reasonable.

In that race Rodahl ran no more than 3m extra over the entire race, something which would be reasonable in a circuit run. I think he was pretty close to his limit in Atlanta.

battle wrote:

Rodal's splits from 1996, for those interested (TFNews)

1. Vebjorn Rodal 1:42.58 (OR, NR)

(24.1, 25.8 [49.9], 26.2 [1:16.1]. 26.5)

Thanks for that, but I'm afraid they're not very accurate. Many splits posted in T&FN over the years have been wrong. As "acetracking" wrote somewhere on here recently, you can only rely on what you see with your own eyes using a video replay and a pause button.

Rodahl's 400m split was between 50.2-50.3.

I concur that the 200m and 600m splits are correct, but his 200s went: -

24.1, 26.2, 25.8, 26.5

Mr. Obvious wrote:

wellnow wrote:

It looks to me like Rodahl false started. We see him start after we hear the gun, but there is probably a delay of .1 -.2 of a second before we hear the sound. He gets away so much earlier than the others.

So, Ventolin needs to put that in his equation.

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Will the pressure finally make him crack?

Yes, very likely it was a false start by Rodahl.

mapiv,

ventolin is a former elite athlete in the 800 and 1500. When he is not treated with the respect he deserves, he gets angry.