SUNY Geneseo XC/TF program

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chichester and henchen were about 10:00 in the 3200 in HS and ran 14:32 and 14:51 respectively

O'connor ran 9:30s in HS an ran 14:28 as a junior this year

Obviously Berube is the big time recruit with that 9:08, but he has already run 14:29 and 8:17 as a soph

Mateer has run 8:41

Streb has gone from 4:17 in the 16 to 3:53 in the 15

Seems like improvement to me.

Chichester ran low 14:30's indoors

To add another, Gabler was 4:22ish in HS and has dropped to 3:58 for the 1500

Jesse Berube was 9:29 for 3200 in HS and has run 8:44 for 3k and 15:00 for 5k

Pretty much all the big recruits have improved at least somewhat

sure those are improvements, but they're improvements that anyone would expect as they move up to the collegiate level. the point is is that they didn't improve substantially after running at geneseo

yea but... wrote:

sure those are improvements, but they're improvements that anyone would expect as they move up to the collegiate level. the point is is that they didn't improve substantially after running at geneseo

Funny, before the point was that they don't improve at all...

Also, "substantial" is relative term. Improvement depends a lot on the body of work done in HS.

For example, Berube was doing 80-90 miles per week in HS. He ran 9:08 for 3200, and has improved to 8:17 for 3k, which converts to 8:51 for 3200 according to McMillan.

Now take, for example, a 10:20 guy who ran 50 miles per week in HS. Take him and get him doing 80 miles a week with a solid supporting cast, and he might eventually improve to, lets say, 9:00 for 3k. Now, his improvement is more (in seconds), but his room for improvement was also more.

I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but in general, runners who were good in HS improve less than runners who were mediocre.

face it, geneseos guys get burnt out

Someone name these Geneseo runners that haven't developed because no one seems to know who they are.

Tom Reubens, state champ in high school

A.J. Cocoran, perfect example of a burnout at genny. Ran 4:1high in hs, and at least 1:58, along with 9:20s in the 3200, and was fairly good in cross at a state level. He hasn't improved at all at genny, running career is in a downward spiral. Hasn't broken 4:10 in the 15, horrible showings in the 3k and 8k. No improvement in the 800 either.

On another note, O'connor was one of the top 10 guys in the state at feds his senior year, he was an amazing runner in hs. 14:2x is not SUPER impressive for him. He was capable of that in hs. Sorry but berube does 100 mpw, hard to think that he couldnt improve at ANY college with that type of mileage. Jesse and Lee were also studs at the 800 and 1600 and in xc in hs, if you want facts and figures just go on tullyrunners, not very hard.

Ruebens ran 8:44 as a frosh and 25:XX as a soph then stopped running. First of all, he improved. Second, someone finding more important things to do is not a programs fault.

here ya go wrote:

Tom Reubens, state champ in high school

Isn't AJ a freshman? Give the kid some time, tons of people have bad freshman years.O'connor's PR in HS for the 3200 was over 9:30...saying he could run sub 14:30 in hs is retarded. Being in the top 10 at feds is good but a lot of those guys don't run sub 14:30 especially as juniors....how fast do you think he should run? How many guys from the last 10 years from NY have run sub 14:10? Less than 10 of those 100 guys who were top 10 at feds.

Corcoran went to UMass his freshman year and got burned out there

some of your information here is way off

pulllease wrote:

Ruebens ran 8:44 as a frosh and 25:XX as a soph then stopped running. First of all, he improved. Second, someone finding more important things to do is not a programs fault.

here ya go wrote:

Tom Reubens, state champ in high school

What better things does he have to do? Are you sure it wasn't some kind of burnout or dislike of the SUNYG program that made him quit?

Lee Berube and Pat DuPont had very similar times coming out of high school. Anyone know how Pat is doing, while going to Syracuse for free?

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Lee Berube and Pat DuPont had very similar times coming out of high school. Anyone know how Pat is doing, while going to Syracuse for free?

They had similar track times. DuPont was better in XC. If you look at DirectAthletics, Berube's run faster track times and DuPont has run better in XC.

From DirectAthletics:

Fastest times for Berube:

1500 - 3:53.12

3000 - 8:17.48

5000 - 14:29.64

Fastest times for DuPont:

1500 - 3:54.62

3000 - 8:24.97

3000 ST - 9:07.59

5000 - N/A

Interesting that both of their best 1500 and 3000 times were run at the same meet (Oneonta Last Chance and BU Terrier).

seems like improvement to me

picky wrote:

Also, "substantial" is relative term. Improvement depends a lot on the body of work done in HS.

For example, Berube was doing 80-90 miles per week in HS. He ran 9:08 for 3200, and has improved to 8:17 for 3k, which converts to 8:51 for 3200 according to McMillan.

Now take, for example, a 10:20 guy who ran 50 miles per week in HS. Take him and get him doing 80 miles a week with a solid supporting cast, and he might eventually improve to, lets say, 9:00 for 3k. Now, his improvement is more (in seconds), but his room for improvement was also more.

I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but in general, runners who were good in HS improve less than runners who were mediocre.

That is motivating since I am going to Geneseo as a 10:20's guy in hs running only running 35 miles a week. Maybe by upping my mileage all get sub 10 and woods will give me a shot on the team