I actually have nothing against Shorter, I simply just posted that in reference to a few people on the board arguing that meb and lagat don't belong on the list because they aren't American in there minds. Well the fact is, they are just as much American as Shorter was!!! My point being, if there was anyone who became naturalized from any caucasian decent everything is perfectly ok. But heaven forbid they are of african background then it all of a sudden is a big deal and they are not considered American. Racism anyone?