It starts out with politically correct indoctrination in kindergarden (Heather has 2 mommies), and continues through high school. This is how the left wing tries to control things. Most of them will remain liberal until they are confronted with the real world.
Because they haven't been mugged yet.
I was mugged and I'm still liberal.
It was all rather cordial and businesslike, actually.
Wait until they graduate, get jobs, and pay taxes. Flush that liberal bleeding heart right down the toilet...
Blowing.Rock Master wrote:
You're confusing Libertarians with Anarchists. Libertarians are for minimal government, not no government. National defense is a constitutionally defined governmental function, so Libertarians support that. But that doesn't mean they support being the world's policeman.
Education, police, fire departments, and transportation are primarily local government issues. It would be up to local and state governments to determine to what extent they'd want to develop these functions. BTW, according to the 9th and 10th Amendments that the way it's supposed to work.
Your right, Libertarians do not support government run universal healthcare. They prefer a system where people are directly involved in their health care decisions. For the poor who may not be able to afford adequate care a system of tax credits and/or vouchers plus private charity involvement would be the solution. This would be far cheaper than the currently proposed monstrosity which does very little to take care of the uninsured while adding $1 trillion - $1.6 trillion to the debt. Also, there's nothing fiscally conservative about universal healthcare.
But if you prefer you can continue to support the 2 major parties. After all, they're doing a wonderful job.
I voted for Obama mainly because I knew it either him or McCain, and I certainly didn't want McCain. I'm opposed to the cost of the current monstrosity, but I think it's a step in the right direction. European healthcare systems seem to work well, and I'd like to see that happen here.
10/10
you nailed it.
Conservatism is this country does not generally appeal to students because conservative view points generally don't stand up to academic rigor.
The key example is the fixation on low taxes. If you are interested in your money, you should not care what the tax rate is, rather you should care about what your total financial situation is.
I live in Minneapolis, the 35W bridge collapsed here. If more money had been put into that bridge it would have cost less in all terms: human suffering, lost commerce, reconstruction costs, etc. That is right; More Tax = Less Cost.
If you live in Minneapolis and are a hard line low tax conservative, paying more tax for the bridge up front would have been in your personal financial interest.
Another great example is the Tea Party Express taking their bus down public roads and rallying in public parks.
These concepts are apparent to the academically in-tune.
"The key example is the fixation on low taxes"
There is so much waste and corruption at the federal level that it is the job of every citizen to demand low taxes, demand to cut programs that solely benefit special interest groups, demand that our military tax dollars actually go to defend our country rather than support Military-industrial complex.
Most people (OK many people) in their 20's are idealistic and think they have every thing figured out. They see the world with wide eyed idealism failing to see the downside and unintended consequences of their ideas and actions.
duck in the chicken wrote:
European healthcare systems seem to work well, and I'd like to see that happen here.
They wouldn't work for European countries if they had our population, obesity, heart disease, and diabetes rates.
Widespread wrote:
duck in the chicken wrote:European healthcare systems seem to work well, and I'd like to see that happen here.
They wouldn't work for European countries if they had our population, obesity, heart disease, and diabetes rates.
I think you just bolstered his point.
Wahoo Sam wrote:
Because they have souls
Correct! They haven't integrated themselves into the working world of corpratist bullying. They are free spirited college students who read both sides of an issue and come to a logical and unharnessed conclusion based upon their own value system and personal beliefs. Good for them!
Because they haven't earned any money yet.
When you find out how hard it is to actually earn money, you become less likely to part with it for social programs.
Future wrote:
I think you just bolstered his point.
Not at all.
Obesity, heart disease, and diabetes are in large part lifestyle diseases. Creating a new health care bill won't fix those, only making healthier life choices will.
The costs of any health care bill will be bogged down by these lifestyle diseases. Its not a total coincidence that the cost of health care in America has risen as the rates of these diseases have risen (obviously this is only a part of the problem associated with rising costs).
Camoo wrote:
That's a rather selective and inaccurate and misleading notion of evolution, but why am I not surprised?
By the way, that old truism about how liberals become conservative as they get older no longer applies. Quite a few diehard Righties turned left as a logical reaction to what was going on in the Bush years. I know lifelong Republicans who did so, and they haven't looked back.
Sorry....nice try. Logic on the left? You're kidding right?
No, I'm not kidding, and your complete lack of a substantive retort only verifies what I said.
And yes, there are many classic conservatives who abandoned the Republian party during the Bush years.
Widespread wrote:
Not at all.
Obesity, heart disease, and diabetes are in large part lifestyle diseases. Creating a new health care bill won't fix those, only making healthier life choices will.
The costs of any health care bill will be bogged down by these lifestyle diseases. Its not a total coincidence that the cost of health care in America has risen as the rates of these diseases have risen (obviously this is only a part of the problem associated with rising costs).
I don't believe the government should pay for ALL surgeries and treatments. I think the first priority of any universal healthcare system should be basic medical care. Broken bones, communicable diseases, immunizations, etc. should be covered first. Then, if there is still money, more complex procedures should be covered. As far as lifestyle is concerned, that is mostly an issue of personal responsibility. Perhaps diet and exercise plans should be covered before other treatments for obesity-related diseases.
duck in the chicken wrote:
Perhaps diet and exercise plans should be covered before other treatments for obesity-related diseases.
So now the government is going to be able to tell people what they can eat and require them to excersize? Sounds like a move from socialism to totalitarianism- Mao would be proud.
Having a doctor tell you it is in your best interest to eat healthy and EXERCISE is not a government takeover of anything; it's common sense.
1 -It's the popular thing to do ...to be liberal. They understand the very basics if liberalism, but do not see the big picture.
2 -Are not paying taxes yet ...for the worthless users.
3 -Brains and experience. The "left" party was established for under achievers ...those who couldn't fit in, make the team, struggle with basic communication.
Most folks you see on the streets that always seem to have the time to protest something are liberals. They are bottom feeders who who need to do something to bring attention to themselves. Such as protesting they know nothing about or really don't even know much about ...just gives them something to do and they feel worthwhile.
Just like terrorist (no ...not calling liberals terrorist) lime to kill people for no reason, blow things up, etc., use religion and blaming the west for their ridiculous actions. They now have purpose because they are board, and/or were not accepted for some (obviuous) reason or another.
This is all why you will find the majority of conservatives working stiffs paying their own way. And this is why the majority of liberals are well .... Because they are in school, have not had to pay taxes yet, want to be lazy and collect from the government, etc.