New HEPS thread for 2009

Brown women are looking very strong with mid distance leading the way.

brown in general looks pretty good for a glorified d3 team. they could probably win most high school conference meets in the country!

WTF is wrong with PENN? Can someone in the know please explain? Something in the philly air, or just a drinking team with a running problem?

For what its worth, Brett Hoover, former assistant Ivy AD and a big supporter of the Heps, has created a new meet website - hepstrack.com. He has some descending order lists available on the site along with some good historical information.

What are the Heps team rostering and event entry rules? I have looked and can't find any info. I assume roster sizes are limited? Do you have to have an entrant in each event? Are there maximum numbers (by school) in each event? Are there performance standards to enter an event (and/or to permit additional school entrants in an event)? Are there limitations on how many events an athlete can participate in? I am trying to understand how rostering strategies and decisions may be affected by any rules or limitations of that nature.

I think 33 person max for a roster. Don't think there is an event cap per team. Don't need an entrant in each event. No performance standards for entry. No limitations on how many events an athlete can do. This is all just out of the ol' skullcap.

I'd think there's a limit on entrants per event--the NCAA rule says "not more than the number of scoring places," IIRC--but not sure whether it's six (the number of scoring places) or five or four. Just off the top of my head, I don't recall more than four entrants from one school in an event, but that may just be practical, not a rule. (Also my recall isn't so hot.)

Thanks to BillCarr for the info about hepstrack.com. Interesting site.

Thanx. Two follow up questions, if anyone knows. Are rosters due in advance or more or less just before the first gun? And presumably you don't have to have competed anywhere in advance of Heps - so e.g. Sitler could fly in again from England to compete (as apparently occurred in XC)?

You can enter any event without having previously ran it or have a seed time. However, if this is the case you will be in the slow heat of the 3k. You need to be in the top 12 in the league to get into the fast heat of the 3k. 5K is now all one heat

33 entries per school, max of 5 per event. Final declarations due Wednesday at 5PM but can be changed up until 10:30AM Friday AM.

Thanks for the info. I too had wondered how that worked. Trying to cover 20 events, including 3 relays, with only 33 people must make for some tough decisions.

They score it 10-8-6-4-2-1, right? I'm trying to dope out where the teams stand, purely based on the performances list...

Okay, based solely on the top six performances for each event on DirectAthletics performance list, I come up with these figures:

Brown 23

Columbia 69

Cornell 182

Dartmouth 41

Harvard 30

Penn 60

Princeton 149.5

Yale 65.5

I realize these lists may still not be up to date, and obviously a lot of things could change depending on which events a given athlete enters; what relay lineups coaches choose; and athletes who don't yet have a seeding performance in a particular event that they'll end up contesting at Heps. But anyway, those are the current totals--apologies in advance if I've mis-added somewhere...

BRF wrote:

--apologies if I've mis-added somewhere...

And for having consistently overlooked Columbia and Penn in my pre-meet "analyses." Columbia (especially in mid-distance and relays) and Penn (esp. sprints, hurdles, jumps) have a lot of scoring potential.

If that's the case, looks like Cornell has it locked up haha.

Right now I would have to say cornell should be the favorite, there distance depth should really help them in the DMR which they could very likely win, and the 4x8. Not to mention Miller and wyner look to go 1-2 in the mile. Princeton should be 2nd, and then a group of Yale,Columbia, and dartmouth fight it out for 3rd.

Wow. I just (finally) pulled the women's scores off the performances list. Same caveats as with the men's projections:

Brown 99

Columbia 91

Cornell 127

Dartmouth 42

Harvard 99

Penn 38

Princeton 80

Yale 44

Five teams at 80 points or higher (and it's hard to believe that Princeton would actually end up fifth). This should be some competitive meet--will probably go down to the relays...

Sorry--for those who prefer numerical to alphabetical order:

MEN

Cornell 182

Princeton 149.5

Columbia 69

Yale 65.5

Penn 60

Dartmouth 41

Harvard 30

Brown 23

WOMEN

Cornell 127

Brown 99

Harvard 99

Columbia 91

Princeton 80

Yale 44

Dartmouth 42

Penn 38

Again, strictly based on the DirectAthletics listings, with possible (small, I hope) addition errors.

Your men's meet total is off. 620 points, when only 589 are scored - I suspect you included the 200, which the men don't run. Also the 800 and 1000 are back to back, so can't be a double and David Slovenski of Princeton is listed both second and third on the Direct Athletics link. Not sure if those are in your numbers. Should be a fun meet.

And the women do not run the 500 and 1000, but do run the 200. Total should add up to 558 points 18 events x 31 points. Posted total is 620.