Bill Dellinger Results

Generally the 7th man (and 6th) at schools like Oregon and Wisconsin are running their main meet at Regionals and doing there job. It is sort of like those two guys running legs on the US 4x400 relay in the semi's -- they would be in the mix on almost all teams except their own and they know that going in -- plus they walk away with the gold.

Rupp's first race will likely be the Pac 10, followed by the Regionals, then Nationals.

secondwind wrote:

Rupp's first race will likely be the Pac 10, followed by the Regionals, then Nationals.

Oh, so you're more in-the-know about Rupp's schedule than Vin?

When you have a former FL guy, 3:40 1500 and sub 14:00 5K guy like Acosta on the bubble of your top 7, your team is so loaded it is scary.

Rupp is the biggest example of what is going on now in College XC, guy sonly have to run 3 races in a season now?

It is barely a sport at that level, sorry. Like Training for a once a half a year peaked marathon. The sport has changed a lot in this regard, no one says you have to lace 'em up 8 times, but 3?

Did Centrowitz use a year last year? Is he red shirting this year? And to think former FL winner Hall, left this team, they are loaded.

When you have a former FL guy, 3:40 1500 and sub 14:00 5K guy like Acosta on the bubble of your top 7, your team is so loaded it is scary.

Rupp is the biggest example of what is going on now in College XC, guys only have to run 3 races in a season now?

It is barely a sport at that level, sorry. Like Training for a once a half a year peaked marathon. The sport has changed a lot in this regard, no one says you have to lace 'em up 8 times, but 3?

Did Centrowitz use a year last year? Is he red shirting this year? And to think former FL winner Hall, left this team, they are loaded.

Centrowitz cannot red shirt now. You cannot run an unattatched runner in a scored meet and not use eligibility at this time. Vin knows this. Not sure why he did this.

You can run that runner in the meet but then I think you are looking at whether that runner ran 20% or more of the races to lose a redshirt. That rule may have changed though.

20 percent or halfway through the season. We are halfway, plus you must document an injury if he ran any meets and it looks like he ran. He will be running for the Ducks this year.

Really Smart Person wrote:

If he is going to be on your national team, he should at least race at Regionals and easn his spot? Not too fair for the 7th Duck at Regionals, who will have to sit at home.

Are you kidding? What else does Rupp have to do to earn his spot on the duck team? He's been on the team for FIVE years, he's won titles, and he's put in probably waaaaay more training than anyone else. Plus, he is a SENIOR with a legit chance to win the entire nationals race. What else does he have to do to earn a spot and race as much as he wants to?

trialswatcher wrote:

Rupp is the biggest example of what is going on now in College XC, guy sonly have to run 3 races in a season now?

It is barely a sport at that level, sorry. Like Training for a once a half a year peaked marathon. The sport has changed a lot in this regard, no one says you have to lace 'em up 8 times, but 3?

The athletes that were running deep into the summer (like Beringer, Rupp) should not be racing early in the fall. They might not even be their best for Nationals as a result. But you have to think of their overall development in such circumstances, not an XC season.

Really Smart Person wrote:

If he is going to be on your national team, he should at least race at Regionals and easn his spot? Not too fair for the 7th Duck at Regionals, who will have to sit at home.

In addition, the concept of "fairness" should only apply to those who are on the same level and wanting the same thing. You think Rupp should be treated the same way as a guy trying to be the 7th man? get real. The only situation that would call for fairness would be if both of these guys were competing for the 7th spot.

Oh come on now, Rupp ran probably less than 10 races all of last year, Indoors and out.An absurdly low number.

From May through Sept 30th he ran , what?? 6 races, he was hardly over worked.

Any one else notice Lindsey Scherf is now running for Oregon women. How on earth does she still have eligibility left. i though she left Harvard like 3 years ago.

How about that allie kieffer, she is oh so fine and fast the best combo

She left Harvard to study abroad in Australia then came BACK then this summer finally made the decision to transfer to Oregon

anyone else think it might have been a waste for the PSU men to fly out to this meet? first of all, we got crushed. secondly, they could have easily faced some competition in their own backyard at Lehigh and saved a lot of money. their #1 guy was 35th!!! the top like 4-5 teams here swept us... I think PSU could (and should) have saved the money and raced at lehigh.

wrong wrote:

Centrowitz cannot red shirt now. You cannot run an unattatched runner in a scored meet and not use eligibility at this time. Vin knows this. Not sure why he did this.

Yes, yes you can. Vin knows this. This is probably why he did this. You just can't provide transportation and competition costs like you do for your uniformed runners.

wrong wrote:

20 percent or halfway through the season. We are halfway, plus you must document an injury if he ran any meets and it looks like he ran. He will be running for the Ducks this year.

It's 30% now. Changed a year or two ago. And we are not half way. Oregon has five meets on it's schedule before "NCAA championship competition" at regionals and has only raced two of them. They still have five before Pac-10s if you count every meet on their schedule including those on the same day (Mike Hodges and Pre-Nats, though I don't think they're actually going to pre-nats). I'll let a compliance officer interpret the finer points, but either way you slice it, still less than or at least within half way.

And you are right about having to document an injury - and then applying for a medical hardship waiver demonstrating that it was season ending. But that's only if he ran in uniform as a part of the scoring team. And we've already established that he has not competed in an eligibility compromising competition this season. He can run Mike Hodges and/or Beaver Classic in late October as long as he takes care of his own expenses and it will not use a season.

An often misunderstood aspect of the "medical redshirt" as it is often referred to as is that it only adds another year on to your five year clock. So you have six years to compete in four seasons. That's how you have some of these athletes who seem like they've been around forever but haven't competed in a while (Scherf maybe? I don't know much of her story). You can be "redshirted" as a junior and not compete in uniform, get injured as a senior and be granted a hardship waiver, and still have two more seasons to compete.

If I could do it all over again? I'd join the mormon church and take a couple years to save some souls while training my balls off. Then I'd get some foxy mormon girl knocked up and find a way to claim a hardship waiver. Hell, I'd still be competeing now well into my mid 20s! Ahh, hind sight is always 20/20 huh? But then I may have ended up married at 21 with 12 kids, and I'm just not sure kicking it with God for an eternity (or competing against kids 8 years younger than me) is worth that.

But I digress. Matt Centrowitz can indeed still red-shirt.

Not that I'm some huge Oregon fan or really care for them that much, but I know people are ready to jump on them the second they think the U of O is cheating, when it likely is not the case...they just don't know how to interpret the rules all that well. It's an interesting thing they've got going on over there. Crank'em in and spit'em out. You may have a decent season or two at the top along the way. I hope those 18 year old kids really do know what they're signing up for.

Penn State should be ashamed of itself. The #1 guy can't break 25 minutes? Back in the day we had 7 who could dip under 25 with the first three under 24:20.

Very sad indeed. The only time we lost to UTEP was when Nyambui was their #1 guy and when OU had Al Sal, Rudy, and Billy McC - followed by Clary and Ken Martin.

Good thing Mark Parker is a Penn Stater, that's the only reason PSU got their way paid out to Eugene. I'll be he's pissed he dropped that kind of coin on a D3 performance.

Former Lion wrote:

Penn State should be ashamed of itself. The #1 guy can't break 25 minutes? Back in the day we had 7 who could dip under 25 with the first three under 24:20.

Very sad indeed. The only time we lost to UTEP was when Nyambui was their #1 guy and when OU had Al Sal, Rudy, and Billy McC - followed by Clary and Ken Martin.

Good thing Mark Parker is a Penn Stater, that's the only reason PSU got their way paid out to Eugene. I'll be he's pissed he dropped that kind of coin on a D3 performance.

Penn State's women ran well. The men's team just doesn't yet have the horses to compete with that level of competition. Hopefully that will improve over the next few years. I imagine they thought it would be a good experience to mix it up in a high level west coast meet. But you've gotta have the horses to do that, or you're just watching the race from the back. The women's team has to be pleased, though.