You are an idiot. I am over here now. I race these women all the time. I see them go from B races to 1:56 in one season. You live in an amateur fantasy world where WCSN and blogs make you feel like you are part of this. You know nothing.
You are an idiot. I am over here now. I race these women all the time. I see them go from B races to 1:56 in one season. You live in an amateur fantasy world where WCSN and blogs make you feel like you are part of this. You know nothing.
Spoiler wrote:
You have to understand that there is a completely different attitude toward doping in these countries.
oh please don't beat us poor americans with your superior training - we take all those drugs on tv and we're all doped up but you beat us anyway - on please tell us the secret - you mean you actually train over there in russia??? - oh waaa waaa waaa please tell me it's not true waaa i'm a crybaby waaaa
Spoiler wrote:
You have to understand that there is a completely different attitude toward doping in these countries. There does not exist the stigma against it that we have in the US. .
More American athletes have failed tests in the last 8 years than any other nation. And the majority of them failed outside of America. How can YOU say the Russians or any other nation don't have a 'stigma' against taking drugs, when US athletes are the dirtiest bunch of bast5rds out there!!!
Poker wrote:
Imagine running 1:56.67 and NOT making your olympic team. It's like the 9.8x and 19.9x guys staying home on the American squads.
9.8 stay home? when has that ever happened? I could be wrong...but pretty sure the answer is never. (at least not legal times).
Jelimo is a man wrote:
Quirot used so much stuff her face nearly blew off and the Cubans had to claim she was in a fire or something...
Exactly what kind of piece of trash are you? May karma catch up with you in a big way
J D Denton wrote:
More American athletes have failed tests in the last 8 years than any other nation. And the majority of them failed outside of America. How can YOU say the Russians or any other nation don't have a 'stigma' against taking drugs, when US athletes are the dirtiest bunch of bast5rds out there!!!
Ummm perhaps that has to do with that the US conducts more tests (yes, they even test outside the country) than any other nation and there are more US athletes to test.
That said, many other nations do match (and some surpass)the US on a proportional basis but unfortuantly there are some countries with a bunch of world class athletes that have a very poor to non-existent testing record. Amazing how few of your athletes will fail if you don't test them or give lot's of forewarning (e.g. like a meet they are traveling too that they know there will be testing)......
Which ones did you race against that run 1:56?
No Russians ran under 1:57 in 2006 or 2007. In 2008, 3 of the 4 Russians who have gone under 1:57 were all legitimate 800 runners before, running close to their PR at the Russian Nationals. The fourth improved 2+ seconds from her previous PR, but is a converted 400m hurdler.
The Russian Nationals have typically been fast - that is how they run against each other and since Russia has a history the last 8 years or so of good 800/1500 runners, their nationals are often just as competitive as GL meets, if not more so - hence they peak for that just for the chance to make the WC or Oly team. They are simply rounding into form at the right time.
Russians = Drugs. The Russians have plenty scientific knowledge to go around so that basically means they can develop untraceable peds. Russia makes Balco look like a home-based reefer selling operation.
RQ wrote:
great run for Yekaterina Kostetskaya, former Jonesboro Ark HS and Texas State athlete.
Yekaterina Kostetskaya = Katya Kostetskaya??
http://txstatebobcats.cstv.com/sports/c-xc/mtt/kostetskaya_katya01.htmlRonnieJames wrote:
runner321 wrote:Yelena Sobolevea pic
http://www.iaaf.org/mm/photo/competitions/iaafgrandprix/35189_w400xh600.jpgHEY YOU GUYS!!!
Rocky Road?
comebacker wrote:
Russians = Drugs. The Russians have plenty scientific knowledge to go around so that basically means they can develop untraceable peds. Russia makes Balco look like a home-based reefer selling operation.
yeah I know this one runner who was not that fantastic a few years ago and now has run sub 1hr for 21k and 2:06 for the marathon, it just stinks how everyone seems to cheat these days and did you see that girl who finished 2nd last night in the 1500m, she has come out of nowhere and is now challenging the best in the world.
So I know what you are talking about and feel for all the athletes who have to race against such runners
Guys make up your minds......which is it:- You say jelimo is a man,then you say she is drugged .Why the so much jealousy ,you sound like little girls.
prudence wrote:
Guys make up your minds......which is it:- You say jelimo is a man,then you say she is drugged .Why the so much jealousy ,you sound like little girls.
I'm not sure but I thought the general consensus was a bit of both. I could have misread though.
I don't see why it's so hard to imagine girls who can run around high 3:50s for the 1500 can't run in the 1:54-55 range.
Jelimo is quite attractive, better looking than most sprinters for sure.
Mrr82 wrote:
Poker wrote:Imagine running 1:56.67 and NOT making your olympic team. It's like the 9.8x and 19.9x guys staying home on the American squads.
9.8 stay home? when has that ever happened? I could be wrong...but pretty sure the answer is never. (at least not legal times).
I don't know about 9.8, but there have been some 9.9's left off the team and some close to breaking 20. The U.S. use to be deeper in the sprints.
Spoiler wrote:
Hellloooooo? I can't believe we continue to gawk at these times as if they are legit! The Kenyan is most definitely dirty. The Russians are more than likely dirty. C'mon, 1:54x consistently?
You have to understand that there is a completely different attitude toward doping in these countries. There does not exist the stigma against it that we have in the US. We aren't talking about the shady, back-alley exchanges of a Mexican steroids dealer, or even the masterminded BALCO. We're talking about federation fueled and financed 'science'. These athletes see themselves as leveling the playing field with their countrymen, not to mention the other top performers in the world. After that, let the best athlete win.
They are mocking us for our elementary attempts at besting us at their own game. And they're pissed at us for drawing attention to the elephant everyone on the inside knew was invited to the party. In a recent conversation a foreign athlete explained that track, or athletics as they call it, is "nothing in your country. It is everything to us. Our people love it, our government and corporations support it, and you Americans ruin it for us." They go on to lament how we have options, sport in the universities, money for the sports, jobs. Options. "In our country we committed to sport as children. We know nothing else. If we are big stars in sport we will have jobs forever. Our children will have jobs. If not we retire and go to army or factory. Maybe coach. It is worth the chance for us. Really, not so many get caught."
The only problem with doping in these countries is getting caught.
So please stop acting so impressed by these bogus times. Drugs don't make slow people fast; they make fast people with crazy work ethic amazing. Talented athletes, yes. Fierce competitors, of course. Just don't believe the times.
spot on, vindicated eventually
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