All Ohio Div 1

McCraven had a well-rounded team to be competitive at least at All-Ohio. Everything is stinking right now at Kent. The good news is that they will always be a "top 3 team at conference" becasue there are only 3 teams that have track and are fully funded.

At least it isn't a cesspool any longer.

Is there something going on that the rest of us don't know? What IS the problem at Kent?

Aint gettin in done (except in throws in which MAC is weak)

Too many Lawson Plans and not any execution. Kids aren't competitive and staff is just to scared of The Law!

Worse yet, what is up with the womens team at Ohio State? That is pathetic. There is a coach who should be added to the losing your job thread that shows up here every couple weeks!

Too many Lawson Plans and not any execution. Kids aren't competitive and staff is just to scared of The Law!

Worse yet, what is up with the womens team at Ohio State? That is pathetic. There is a coach who should be added to the losing your job thread that shows up here every couple weeks!

If Lawson wants to know how to really get it done he can call me at 1-800-ZIPS WIN

I'll show him how to micromanage his assistants the right way. They all hate me too, but we get results

Or how about Lawson taking the team to Drake. I guess it's a decent meet, but how many hs athletes that Kent would be recruiting will be there? My guess is probably none. Lawson probably just wants to hang with his buddies from UNI who school him on a regular basis.

Oh, speaking of Drake, nice work in the men's 5k! Kant read, kant write, kant race.

Or how about not going anywhere over spring break. Rainbolt took the teams to Cali regularly and that was a HUGE recruiting tool.

There is no excuse that Eatern owns Kent so bad in track. Lawson is much more talk than reality. Maybe if Kent didn't have 3 multievent coaches they'd be better. Middle and distance arfe not strong even for the MAC. Changes?

Fanger is a great coach.

Verdict is still out on Crogan, but Lawson gives him no scholarship dollars.

Not true about distance at all...

Think about it. Lawson would probably give money to jumpers like crazy, but he hardly has any.

TJ and/or other old grumpy alumni who dont know whats going on and for some reason feel compelled to bash croghan and lawson because they think Brad and Wendel need to be touted (they dont, they are doing great where they are and are great guys):

its too bad you have to keep posting this crap. Croghan is a great coach and recruiter and Lawson is just fine (look at how talented this past recruiting class was). Results will be evident after they have recruiting classes get older. The transition from the old staff to the new one left a pretty large hole in recruiting (right now what they have is a LOT of talented freshmen, only a few sophomores and even less juniors, and then a few seniors). I dont know how much you know about college athletics, but it makes sense to give a coach at least 3 to 4 years to judge his results don't you think.

I hate how just because Wendel left and Brad got screwed you automatically need to bash the guys who came in instead. Lawson didnt get the job OVER brad, they were never going to hire brad (they should have) but that doesnt mean that Lawson isnt a great coach. Get over it.

It aint about being grumpy.

It's about pride in the program which is in distinct downward slide.

This is the new "regime" not replacing the full men's cupboard they inherited as well as not getting any better on the women's side which really needed help.

You've got more jumps and combined event coaches than MAC level athletes, but hey keep thinking that 3-4 years are needed because at the rate they're going there, the men's program might not even be around in 3-4 years.

Time for less talk and more results!!

Is the Letrun.com message board primarily a midwestern thing? It seems that no matter what Mid American Conference coach is mentioned there are dozens of posts which slam that particular coach. I see a different view. The MAC coaches are some of the best teacher/coaches in the country. They compete in a mid-major conference with little to no support, they consistently turn out national level athletes across the board, they get poor funding compared to the big-time DI programs, their facilities usually are not as good, they don't get the blue-chip athletes, yet they are able to take solid kids and make them better. When you compare the MAC to other mid-major leagues it is clearly one of the best in track & field. Why then do we bash every coach that is ever mentioned? Instead of praising these folks for working in difficult situations (anyone notice how many men's programs have been dropped?) and trying to keep track & field a viable thing, we tear them down. Every coach will have athletes who hate them, just like every coach will have athletes that will love them. That is the nature of coaching, teaching, medicine, law, etc. No one can be all things to everyone. I just think the coaches in the MAC do a great job of "coaching" in some tough situations. You have programs that have budgets which make getting to meets tough, you have programs that don't even have an indoor track, you have programs where the AD doesn't even know the coaches name.

How about we turn this message board into something positive about coaches. Boy, wouldn't that be nice.

Just a guy that loves track & field.

I totally agree. I think a lot of the negativity has to do with how the MAC is a pretty small community of athletes, alumni, coaches and former coaches that are always trying to put themselves in a good light. The best way to make yourself look good? trash the other guy, obviously.

the mac is a great conference because, like you said, there are ALWAYS national caliber athletes at the top unlike a large number of mid-major conferences that will struggle to do that on such a consistent basis.

Kent went through a horrible coaching transition (caused by bad management by the athletic department) but luckily ended up with great coaches who are still digging themselves out of the ditch they were put in by the transition. People are using this situation as "proof" that kent/the mac was better when they were there and now its all going down the tubes, even though that is not the case at all. Egos must be stroked I suppose...

Man, another nice job at Drake in the men's DMR! That's gonna help recruiting won't it?

Funny, I opened this when I saw the topic "All Ohio Div 1" expecting to read about the meet in general and instead all I see is a couple people bashing Kent's team. Why disguise it? Just make a topic entitled "Why I Think The Current Coaches At Kent Suck" or something like that. At least Im average and one other guy stick up for them.

What are you? My MFing mother

Ha, nope not your mother. That'd be too embarrassing for me to handle. I was just pointing out that if you want to bash something, someone, or whatever why hide it? This forum is full of people who just come out and say what they feel, no need to hide your agenda.