Violence in Kenya

true. but a better thing would be if it didnt happen at all. Things like this shouldnt happen.

Yeah it's bad when tribes go at. Seems people are the worst to their own race. Look at England and Ireland. Germans and the Russians. Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews/aka Israelis. 1,000,000 died in those wars. This time in Kenya, they are just riots, < 500 dead thus far, no real war, but still too much.

Bad News wrote:

Yeah it's bad when tribes go at. Seems people are the worst to their own race. Look at England and Ireland. Germans and the Russians. Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews/aka Israelis. 1,000,000 died in those wars. This time in Kenya, they are just riots, < 500 dead thus far, no real war, but still too much.

Let's examine this

Bad News wrote:

Yeah it's bad when tribes go at. Seems people are the worst to their own race.

You dont understand tribalism and erratic retaliation. read ismael by daniel quinn.

Bad News wrote:

Look at England and Ireland.

Protestant and Catholic

Bad News wrote:

Germans and the Russians.

Aryan and Slavic.

Bad News wrote:

Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews/aka Israelis.

Jewish and Islam

Everything looks the same to the outside observer. It might be easy for you to think all anglo-saxons are the same, all whites are the same, and all semites, of all people, are the same, but sorry that's not the case.

thank you billy.

btw, don't drop the A-word. Use Anglo-Saxon or Germanic where appropriate.

Still if you want to see real tribal conflict we need look no further than European history. If you want to see what that looked like, lets take a look at the Tutsi's and Hutu's.

The Gauls and Visigoths fought constantly. The Greek city states as well. People are always worse to their own than to others. That has always been the truth. If anything it should offer a view into the darkness of the human condition.

Those other groups may differ, but Semites are all the same. The Romans, Turks, Mongols, British, always treated them the same, like shit. only the Egyptians and United States separated them by religion.

The bottom line is that these nations were poorly designed by the western nations that used to own them. All these different tribes are squashed together, which makes it pretty easy to start a civil war.

ticktock wrote:

The bottom line is that these nations were poorly designed by the western nations that used to own them. All these different tribes are squashed together, which makes it pretty easy to start a civil war.

you see, there you go again with the 'its the west's fault'.

its hard to have a discussion when that happens. Most of who defined what nation was what in the 40's-60's when European colonies became free for the most part was the people themselves. Not the colonialists. This is true for Africa believe it or not. It was Africans not Europeans who decided.

Now, in the middle East it was entirely different you're right. But Again that wasn't directly the West's fault either. Look at the Turkic Empire, the House of Saud, and the world wars fought during the period there. Iraq is one major mistake in the Middle East and if anything being one country actually kept them at peace from 1914-1980. If Iraq had instead become three countries based around the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shia that peace could very likely have been much different and the Persian influence in Iran could have opposed each and this was unacceptable to the house of Saud. Thats why the Brits did what they did then-

South America was Simon Bolivar's fault- and Asia has always been Asia. Personally I find it hard to blame the west on the current condition of the world, and whoever does has alterior motives. Jealousy would rank high amoung them. If the west isn't that good, move out of it. I hear Russia is pretty nice. Maybe North Korea. Not bad places if you ask me.

The world is a better place because of the West, despite the bad things we have done which have mainly been to each other.

why are there more of every other group than westerners? I suppose thats the west's fault as well. yeah, please this self hate I don't know where it comes from. Be proud of Western History, it means a lot.

Wow it's a riot in Kenya. Let's hope it doesn't escalate into a full scale war like in Palestine, where people of the same identical Semitio race have been killing each other by the thousands. Look at the massacre the Zionists did last year in Lebanon. The Zionists are sick Nazi war criminals. I hope Kenya quiets down soon. This is not good.

when you equated zionists to nazis, were you trying to ironic for humorous effect.

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Please limit you comparison of zionists & nazis to just shutting the hell up please.

Nevertheless, what Israel did in Lebanon is absolutly disgraceful and horrible.

I assume you must have different television programmes over there in the US to here in Britain, but we’ve seen many times, the most militant and fanatical Jewish settlers, who consider they have the God-given right to live anywhere in what was the original Israel - openly advocating dealing with the Palestinians as Hitler did with the Jews.

I know most of the Palestinians would act in a similar fashion - but they’re not the one’s continually waving the Holocaust flag to subdue the slightest criticism or condemnation of their activities.

When it comes down to the nitty-gritty - the Jews, like the many other societies on this planet that already have since 45, would act in a similar manner to that of the SS.

Incidentally, I have a friend who is still out in Lebanon trying to clear up the millions of tiny cluster bombs (supplied by the US) dropped in residential areas with no other purpose than to spread terror and kill and maim the innocent public - and are still killing to this day.

They were dropped because the Israel army didn’t have the stomach to go in and physically take out the Hezbollah

Tribal warfare has existed for millenia in Africa. Hacking apart, taking slaves, killing....African history is full of wars between different ethnic groups -- and there are many thousands of those.

This is what the west doesn't understand.

Jefe wrote:

Tribal warfare has existed for millenia in Africa. Hacking apart, taking slaves, killing....African history is full of wars between different ethnic groups -- and there are many thousands of those.

This is what the west doesn't understand.

tribal warfar isn't what we think or what you seemed to state it as. we think it's just like our warfare; i.e. total warfare; however it is much different. tribal warfare usually just meant letting the other tribes know that you're there and you're no pushover. There is no desire to completely whipe the enemy off the face of the earth like in our warfare. just think of the first westerners to colonize the americas, they were occasionally raided by the american indians, but they were never massacred.

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