Can Marion's Drug Cheating lead us to make inferences on other's

The EPO test is a mess.

Marion Jones proved that there is absolutely no correlation between testing results and the truth. There is a whole sh1t- load of others like Marion Jones.

BS - the EPO test is just fine.

Sorry, Charlie wrote:

The EPO test is a mess.

basically, none of us know shite abput the epo test. i don't care who you are, unless you are the lab rat doing the testing or helping to develop the test, you are nothing more than someone who has a regular job and has read something in a book or read something on the internet. there is no doubt in my mind that lagat was dirty. no doubt at all.

I guess you missed the official report that said that Lagat was clean all along and that it was, in fact, a genuine false positive.

mobile9 wrote:

I guess you missed the official report that said that Lagat was clean all along and that it was, in fact, a genuine false positive.

Is that report online anywhere? Where did you see it? I've been curious about it for a while.

Thanx.

There has never been a need for facts to be present before

the witch hunts begin. Not here, nor anywhere else, particularly here--rumor, alleged knowledge, and innuendo have always been the order of the day.

Merry Christmas.

I an NOT saying anyone with a shorter PR is on PEDS but that I'm 100%, bet the rent sure, that a clean human CAN run AT LEAST:

9.95/10.95

20.0/22.2

44.5/49.7

1:43.8/1:57.2

3:31.5/4:00

3:51.0/4:25

7:35.0/8:35

13:01/14:50

27:25/31:25

2:08:/2:23

The most important number is that Jones tested clean AT LEAST 160 times while she was on PEDS. We have had no dope testing we have only caught dopes.

You are naive if you think that is truly an unbiased report.

Heid didn't run the B test, he just reported the findings.

Kermit wrote:

You are naive if you think that is truly an unbiased report.

They either found EPO or they did not. "Bias" is irrelevant. Feel free to dispute any value judgements you find in it. The facts remain unchanged.

Yes. Lance is dirty, and so is Roger Clemens. Good call.

wineturtle wrote:

The most important number is that Jones tested clean AT LEAST 160 times while she was on PEDS.

I am clean too. Just like Marion. I am very very clean.

I read the link to the Lagat report. Very interesting information but these days I just struggle to believe anyone who is very animate that they are not using drugs. Justin Gatlin was the leader of the new clean youth movement... BUSTED, Marion Jones was so strong that she didn't use drugs... BUSTED.

I think the only person I trust in Kelli White. She used and then told the whole story. Who else has done that.

Cathal Lombard.

If you accept that 13:01 can be run clean, then surely you would accept 27:00 can be run clean - they are roughly in the same ball park. Additionally, a 27:00 certainly paves the way for a 2.06 marathon, given 28 types have already produced sub 2:10's.

The problem with pronouncing certain cut offs times that supposedly no one could do without PEDs is that it would be like saying that no one could be over 7' or 8' tall. Every great once in a while, people are over 7' and even more rarely 8'.

I an NOT saying anyone with a shorter PR is on PEDS but that I'm 100%, bet the rent sure, that a clean human CAN run AT LEAST

perspective wrote:

The problem with pronouncing certain cut offs times that supposedly no one could do without PEDs is that it would be like saying that no one could be over 7' or 8' tall. Every great once in a while, people are over 7' and even more rarely 8'.

Please note my opening remark.

Guess we always suspected that Lance Armstrong was dirty and still is and running marathons at that, but we never knew how easy it was until the Marion Jones logs were revealed. Now we know for sure Lance Armstrong and others are dirty. The sad part is that now many of our running buddies will take up doping since the formula is now out, and the money is tremendous. I might even start EPO and HGH. I'm looking into it now.