When will Kennedy's 12:58 & 7:30 get the respect they deserve??

youre either a huge troll or a moron... 12:56 is what he ran you idiot

fddafad wrote:

youre either a huge troll or a moron... 12:56 is what he ran you idiot

Who's the idiot?

Kennedy ran 12:58 for the US record.

yeah. bob kennedy. there's a guy who gets absolutely no respect. i always hear people talking about how those times were shit and that kennedy was a huge running vagina.

chuck d wrote:

i always hear people talking about how those times were shit and that kennedy was a huge running vagina.

You "always hear people"? Name one time you've hear someone say this?

who's the idiot now?

Wow. It's amazing that such simple use of sarcasm can go so far over your head.

Umm...I'm pretty sure those times are very respected. Don't you ever read this board.

Harry Kooter wrote:

Wow. It's amazing that such simple use of sarcasm can go so far over your head.

Where's the sarcasm?

Towson exile wrote:

Umm...I'm pretty sure those times are very respected. Don't you ever read this board.

If they're respected, then why the predictions that his records are going down every year? There are ways to disrespect besides direct bashing. If the guys being primed for the record were Lagat and Webb only, along with Teg very recently, then fine. But otherwise, we're talking about guys who BK could've jogged next to while they were setting PR's. BK would've jumped off a balcony if he ran 13:10 in a fast race, yet those are Goucher's 2 lifetime races. Webb's recent 5K's were his 13:10 and a DNF. A few months ago, he ran an 8:23 2-mile which is slower than BK's 5K pace.

i understand what he is saying...every race teg is in, he says he is going for the american record, and he really hasnt come close.

Towson exile wrote:

Umm...I'm pretty sure those times are very respected. Don't you ever read this board.

ninjacore wrote:

every race teg is in, he says he is going for the american record...

If you say so, it must be true.

ninjacore wrote:

i understand what he is saying...every race teg is in, he says he is going for the american record, and he really hasnt come close.

You're telling BK that lots of runners can do what he did. Talk about disrespectful.

exactly...... wrote:

Towson exile wrote:

Umm...I'm pretty sure those times are very respected. Don't you ever read this board.

If they're respected, then why the predictions that his records are going down every year? There are ways to disrespect besides direct bashing. If the guys being primed for the record were Lagat and Webb only, along with Teg very recently, then fine. But otherwise, we're talking about guys who BK could've jogged next to while they were setting PR's. BK would've jumped off a balcony if he ran 13:10 in a fast race, yet those are Goucher's 2 lifetime races. Webb's recent 5K's were his 13:10 and a DNF. A few months ago, he ran an 8:23 2-mile which is slower than BK's 5K pace.

I'm assuming you don't remember when Kennedy was beaten by Goucher? Actually, Goucher may be running just as well at his age as Kennedy was at 32.

Kennedy would not have been jogging next to Rupp in the 10K at Cardinal invite, he MIGHT have beat Rupp, but he would not have been jogging next to him.

Obviously Bob deserves a lot of respect for his PR's, records, and being the American pioneer of confidence that caucasions could compete with the african dominance. Bob was training with some of the worlds best (Noah Ngeny and 7:20 3K Daniel Komen)in his prime.

Having said that, I certainly don't expect our current runners to idolize that or we will have no chance of advancing past it. Outside of Lagat, Tegencamp has a real shot at his 5K, possibly his 3K too. Dan Linoln, Solinsky and Rupp all better want that 5K record as well. Rupp will almost certainly get the US 10K record in the future, and may not do enough speed work to have a shot at Bob's 5K.

Is it not reasonable for a guy who owns most of the junior national records and a collegiate 10K record at 21 years old is not going to have a shot at the other records in the future?

I think you are confusing disrespect with logic. The runners respect Bob, the fans respect Bob, and the runners and the fans would like to see those records taken down. Progress.

Has there ever been a thread where so many people didn't get what the other guy was saying?

exactly...... wrote:

Webb, Teg, Rupp, Hall, Ritz, Goucher and Solinsky have all been marked down for sub-12:58, as if we're talking about 13:15. Even Lagat, who actually could, hasn't done it... and he's among history's best. All of them need decent races to beat that pace just for 2 miles... while BK would run their PR's on an absolutely awful day.

I agree with you 100%. Chuck D might have been attempting some sarcasm, but there have been PLENTY of people saying that so many US guys would be breaking or coming real close to BK's 12:58 in no time. Goucher was gonna dust it after his world cross 6th, a few years back Flagpole predicted Ritz would run 12:50 THIS YEAR, while several other posters said, "well, he won't run 12:50, but he'll break 13:00 real soon", and Webb was gonna smash it in no time, and Teg, after his 13:04 last year would definitely be well under 13:00 this year according to several posters, and so on and so on, and I even think several said Broe and Lincoln would be bustin' down the doors of 13:00 any moment.

We also heard how Meb's 10k record was gonna vaporized by many this year or next. Oh yeah, after Hall's 1/2 marathon, he was gonna be running 12:55 and sub 27:00 like it was a walk in the park.

Did I leave anyone out?

I dont' see any of these scenarios happening. I see 12:58 and 27:13 sticking around for a little while longer (unless Lagat tries the 5k record seriously).

Forgot to include Webb. he could be the one to really stamp it considering his mile speed and his 10K debut which is roughly Kennedy's pr for 10K. At this point Alan has shown that he can chase times when he's feeling good, and it certainly seems like he has the engine for that kind of time.

I believe Webb and Teg. have both run better than Kennedy's two mile pr. Kennedy wasn't running under 13:00 every season, all it takes is one good race in good conditions.

anyone have the US 5K all time list?

Yeah, you forgot about Fam who was gonna annihilate the 5k record when he ran 13:45, and was gonna break the 10k record when he DNFed. This was while he was taking a break from the steeple which he should have crushed the record in years ago.