gypsy wrote:
But i'm also interested to know if Antonio is outed as 'boom' at any point.
I did a search on this forum and I notice that my name is on this thread. Then I read your post and I see you name me. I think that Antonio it´s me and no one else.
You are one very funny guy. Kind of an idiot. You open threads and ask questions or you call the debate, you do provocative posts, you bring stuff doubts, but when someone like me replies to your stuff questions but the answer and the opinion doesn´t satisfy you, or is opposed to your main idea, then you know all the answers to the questions you bring to the forum. It´s the case of “Lydiard imitations”. You open the debate with questions, but then when the answer doesn´t satisfy you move to a your question to know more than the other person about the same subject you did bring to the board. Then when the post doesn´t satisfy you because it disagrees with your own ideas you just do rubbish posts to that person or you simply ask the same question on and on, you keep with the trick that the other individual didn´t answer the question when he did really.
Would be better that before your write questions you reveal your opinion first.
As you aren´t the only one to post here and you aren´t the only one to ask me questions I want to posts something about this VO2max versus specific training.
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I have to disagree. The belief to train more pace specific in order to perform better is probably one of the most common mistakes coaches do for 5/10k at least.
They fail to realize that the internal system/metabolism is far more important to optimize than the outer system. A high LT can best be trained with LT sessions and a high LT (unless you are a pure marathon runner) is almost linear to your performance in the 5k/10k.
You must do pace specific also - but just part of the year and usually is is a matter of finding out how little is enough vs how much more can be done.
Marius
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This Marius post is demagogy. Who says that “The belief to train MORE pace specific in order to perform better” More? Why more ? Very specific training tends to lead to rapid performance improvement followed by a plateau.
I don´t say more, I say some parsimony percent of the total mileage, and while it´s done sparsely over the season it´s less total percent probably. Some people do misconcept about the rich specific workout training. Spefics shall be of progressive load.
Since the physiology get higher importance among the training methodology, someone taught that if the VO2max it´s a important physiology parameter to able distance run better performance it would be a good thing to train and be exercised at that same VO2 speed pace to able to improve the VO2max of each individual. This is not true precisely. First of all we know that the VO2max, while can´t be neglected as performance parameter it´s not decisive for the performance result, because the performance result it´s a complex composite of several training parameters out of the VO2max, and actually we know that since the VO2max it´s obtained at the pace and the duration of 8-12min approx. what means 2k to 3k run approx. then its more determinant for performances on that 2k to 3 k distance events, but not absolutely determinant as many scientific studies did prove, and less determinant on 800m-1500m-mile events and less decisive on longer distances from 10k to cross country to road runs and to the HM and marathon.
VO2 max is a measure of aerobic fitness and increases dramatically as the runner moves from an untrained to a trained state., but it´s not adequate when you want to enter into the specific phase.
About this matter you may read my opinion about this subject.
http://www.flotrack.org/article/6665-Antonio-CabralAC: If you take the VO2max of two distance runners - one does for instance 55/ml/kg/min and the other 75/ml/kg/min VO2max. The runner with high 75 VO2max observed will do better performances in middle and long distance events than the low 35ml/kg/min eventually. But what about one with 58 VO2max and other with 62 VO2max?
The Consequence of Time and Space
No one knows who will win and the runner with high VO2max is not the best distance runner necessarily. When it comes to middle and long-distance training, my guide is traditional training methodology rather than training physiology. My knowledge of the history of past and present methods and training contain, as well as my many years of personal experience, have taught me that these are the keys to formulating a training plan. I break the training down into the most basic but objective of training parameters: Time and Space. Space is the distance run and Time is the duration of the run.
The consequence of Time and Space is the pace, the pace of one workout, or race pace referred to one distance event. I guess that race pace is the most important and trustful reference point to elaborate every training program.
I consider the contribution of physiological factors associated with running performance, be VO2max, running economy, lactate and anaerobic threshold, anaerobic energy, fibre type, whatever factor, as well as different aspects such as the brain regulation of exercise performance. However my main coaching lead, my final coach decision is done by training methodology, related to race pace and not physiology.
Something more can be said. It´s proved that many runners did their best performance when their own physiological factors associated with distance run performance do show low values.
It's not the person with the highest VO2max, mitochondria, the highest hematocrit, whatever physiological parameter, who necessarily wins a race. It is simply the person who covers the required distance the fastest, it doesn´t matter what is the physiological factor that did contribute to that win or that new PB.
In the 2004 Olympic season the Portuguese Rui Silva did several physiological tests in the field in 3 moments:
- Start of the season
- Mid-season before the track runs, and
- After his bronze medal in 1500m in the Olympics.
I trust in the protocols. I know how they were done. After that long season with hard training, the tests he did right after the Olympics show the poorest VO2max of the 3 moments, the poorer VO2 velocity to what he tested in the early and mid-season. When he was in his top shape and condition, the tests did show poor lactate, poor hematocrit, poor aerobics etc.
http://www.flotrack.org/article/6665-Antonio-CabralThe second reason why vVO2 workouts isn´t of higher top importance it´s because the rule of specificity that was never been denied or replaced by another best rule. The norm that defines of specificity says that “The dominant energy system used during competition must be called upon and the structure of the movement must resemble that present during competition. Or, the best suited training for this purpose it´s something closer to race pace load, and as you know VVO2max it´s not race pace or 800m to mile and from 5k to the marathon.
The one thing that does seem to be pretty sure is that the response to training is truly specific in terms of movement pattern and energy system utilisation. Therefore it makes little sense to spend a long period of the season running slowly to develop an aerobic base and trying to cram all your specific work into a short 6-8 week period. As it WOULD BE MISTAKE TO TRAIN JUST SPECIFICS. It would be one mistake to spend all the time training on race pace effort.
However training does involve working multiple systems, but the interaction between them is so complex that it is difficult to know exactly what is going on.
The idea that while traninig at vVO2max pace it´s the best way to improve its´one naïve idea. Otherwise it´s naïve to think that if you train in the pace of one particular training zone you will JUST AND BEST enhance that physiologic system connect with that pace.
Then my opinion about VO2 workout training is that the vVO2 max doesn´t satisfy the needs of specific pace somehow ,but don´t deny a few interest on VO2max workouts.