I remember reading in a book an statement and explanation of world class 10,000m races typically being faster than world class 5000m races. Does anyone know what book this is in?
I remember reading in a book an statement and explanation of world class 10,000m races typically being faster than world class 5000m races. Does anyone know what book this is in?
I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 10. Does anyone remember what number it is?
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Vigil writes on P.120:
It has also been noted that the last 400 in the 10,000 has been run in 53-54 seconds and can sometimes be faster than the last 400 of the 5,000, 1500, and even some first class 800 meter races.
Shit, the last 400 of a marathon could be run faster than the last lap of an 800, 1500, 5000, etc. World class 1500s and miles are often only closed in 58 to 60 seconds if the the runners go out in 1:51. Even 800 meter guys will sometimes only close in 55 or so if they go out in 49. It all depends on the pace earlier in the race. Sure, if Bekele goes out at 27:30 pace for the first 24 laps the last lap is going to be blazing, but so is the last lap of a 5000 if he or a similar runner goes out at 13:20 pace for the first 11.5 laps, or 4:05 pace for a miler. It's all relative.
Typically, the last lap of 10000m races are NOT closed faster than the last lap of shorter races because longer distance guys aren't as good of sprinters and the kick is usually drawn out over the last one or two kilometers, not the last lap.
If I had to guess I'd say that no athlete is 100% sure how well he is going to run on that day, and so the longer the distance, the more variance there can be in what pace he is capable of on that day, the more he is going to back away from redlining, and thus have more "left in the tank" for the final lap.
Guppy wrote:
Shit, the last 400 of a marathon could be run faster than the last lap of an 800, 1500, 5000, etc. World class 1500s and miles are often only closed in 58 to 60 seconds if the the runners go out in 1:51. Even 800 meter guys will sometimes only close in 55 or so if they go out in 49. It all depends on the pace earlier in the race. Sure, if Bekele goes out at 27:30 pace for the first 24 laps the last lap is going to be blazing, but so is the last lap of a 5000 if he or a similar runner goes out at 13:20 pace for the first 11.5 laps, or 4:05 pace for a miler. It's all relative.
Typically, the last lap of 10000m races are NOT closed faster than the last lap of shorter races because longer distance guys aren't as good of sprinters and the kick is usually drawn out over the last one or two kilometers, not the last lap.
First off you used "Typically" in the wrong context.
Secondly, if the last 400m of a 10k is faster than the last 400m of 800/1500/5000m races than yes they do close faster. If not than your defying basic laws of physics.
typical bballer story wrote:
First off you used "Typically" in the wrong context.
Secondly, if the last 400m of a 10k is faster than the last 400m of 800/1500/5000m races than yes they do close faster. If not than your defying basic laws of physics.
Your post makes baby Jesus cry.
I agree I have closed well in races but my fastest last lap of a race was 52 in a 10,000m. I believe it has to do with momentum you get a great deal of it in a 10,000m but not so much in the shorter races because of exerting yourself much more early on.
how much momentum do you get? 5 seconds,15 yards. Could you get more momentum is shorter races by not exerting yourself early on?say i was in a 5k should I start with a 5k and keep the buit up momentum going into the race, you know like time it like the sailboats do so they get to the line with a flying start?
Itotallyagree wrote:
I agree I have closed well in races but my fastest last lap of a race was 52 in a 10,000m. I believe it has to do with momentum you get a great deal of it in a 10,000m but not so much in the shorter races because of exerting yourself much more early on.
not a pointer a sitter wrote:
how much momentum do you get? 5 seconds,15 yards. Could you get more momentum is shorter races by not exerting yourself early on?
say i was in a 5k should I start with a 5k and keep the buit up momentum going into the race, you know like time it like the sailboats do so they get to the line with a flying start?
Itotallyagree wrote:I agree I have closed well in races but my fastest last lap of a race was 52 in a 10,000m. I believe it has to do with momentum you get a great deal of it in a 10,000m but not so much in the shorter races because of exerting yourself much more early on.
What he means is that you are slowly increasing the pace getting ready for a quick last lap. Usually in a shorter race you are running close to PR pace for most of the race, but that's less likely to be the case in a 5k or 10k, so in a way you are "getting something back" during a lull in the middle of the race. Longer, slower races are more variable in how the first part is run as someone mentioned, whereas you rarely see an 800 go 56/51. Personally I've closed a 5k in 60 flat, but never a 1500 under about 63 because I'm pretty much just running even splits every 1500.
I once closed a 1600 in 54 seconds - my time was outside 5:30 though.
I'd guess that there is some basic number that is the bottom line on how fast you can close a 5,000 or 10,0000 metre race. I doubt that no matter the speed of the leadup no one goes sub 50 at the end of a 5/10. I'd think the less you use the anaerobic system during a race the more efficent it is when called upon at the end of the race. The idea that part of a finite amount of anaerobic work can be spread over time is interesting. If you use 95/5 ratio(as a for instance) for the first 12 laps you should be able to tap it at 60/40 from the gun. The idea that you must use some of it every lap is supported by the fact that no matter how we ration our energy humans can not just run forever. If you run your PR 400 at 60/40 thats your closing speed but because it really takes you an 40/60 level of effort to PR you'll never run it in a long race
pure... genius...