I agree that "Old Bear" might have been a little harsh on the throwing program at Cal but here are some interesting facts to consider:
1/ In Pac-10 Championship meets since 2004 Cal's male throwers have placed 3rd (Rhuben Wiliams would have placed 4th on his own!!)1st, 4th and this year 9th. Not an encouraging trend but we all should recognize that there are inevitably cycles especially if talent is not deep. Women results have been 8th, 8th 4th and 3rd.
2/ Paul Treinert's Pac-10 title was the first for a male Cal thrower since Dave Porath's double in 1981. Women's last title was the much maligned Ms. Joyce in 2002, prior to her Kim Kesler in 1986 pre Pac-10
3/ In the Cal men's all time top ten in the four throws only John Ludden-7th in the hammer, Ryan Young (unfortunately injured this year)2nd and Jonas Hallgrimsson 3rd in the javelin among current athletes are ranked. The top marks in the shot and discus this year were 1'6" and 6'6" out of the the top ten. Hopefully Ryan will return healthy becasue with Jonas graduatiung the drop from the 10th position to Cal's top would be 20'. Women have several current athletes ranked in their top 10.
4/Don't compare Venegas to Cal's throwing coaches!!! If Cal's men's throwers had a meet against UCLA's, based on 2007 best performances the Bruins would sweep the shot ( Cal's best is 4' behind the 3rd bruin), discus (Cal's best 10' behind)would take 2nd in the hammer and win the jav..score 10, 8, 6 for places 1-3: Cal = 16 UCLA = 80. On the women's side Cal would win 54 / 42.
So how can one evaluate a program? In dual meet terms-which requires depth-conference terms- need a few stars- or regional/national NCAA terms which requires almost international level athletes? Old Bear might have had a few facts wrong about who is going to the NCAAs etc-let's chalk that up to bad eyesight after all he is old!- but there are some interesting challenges ahead for whomever is coaching throws at Cal in the near future. It's probably fair to say that Cal has never enjoyed a reputation as being a throwers' team, so perhaps now is the time to change that.
Go Thrower Bears!