Does anyone know if Ritz has a big 10k planned? May not because of the us and world championships. 10k at nationals could be a great race with a lot of the guys already getting the qualifier. i predict he runs 27:17 this summer on the track for 10k
Does anyone know if Ritz has a big 10k planned? May not because of the us and world championships. 10k at nationals could be a great race with a lot of the guys already getting the qualifier. i predict he runs 27:17 this summer on the track for 10k
Is there a difference between a 10K, a small 10K, a medium 10K, and a big 10K?
Wait, so you put American record in your subject line, but then you predict Ritz will run a 27:17? Brilliant.
Thinking Out Loud wrote:
Wait, so you put American record in your subject line, but then you predict Ritz will run a 27:17? Brilliant.
Knock it off. He included a question mark, then predicted a time very close to the record. Hence the question if he can do it.
There is no doubt that Ritz has the talent to break the American Record. I love it how many of you needed him to beat someone like Mottram before you would entertain this. He's said the American Record is one of his goals. He will get it. It is one of the softest American Records there is, and he's better than the guy who holds it. His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
Webb will outkick him.
His stated plan is to run the 10 at Nationals and then at the Worlds, if he makes the team, with several 5s in Europe. However, he has also said that he wants to bring down his PRs, and my sense is that that includes the 10. So, I would expect him to find one fast 10 in Europe and put a good deal into that.
Michiganrunner wrote:
Does anyone know if Ritz has a big 10k planned? May not because of the us and world championships. 10k at nationals could be a great race with a lot of the guys already getting the qualifier. i predict he runs 27:17 this summer on the track for 10k
SInce he didn't join Abdi in Hengelo his other chance is the Golden Leauge 10k in Brussels. Unless there is obscure 10k somewhere in he US.
But this year things are weird.. The world champs are so late in the season that both the zurich and the brussels meets are in the end of the season (sept).. dunno if he will be consistant until then. He usually peaks and valleys quickly
Flagpole Willy wrote:
There is no doubt that Ritz has the talent to break the American Record. I love it how many of you needed him to beat someone like Mottram before you would entertain this. He's said the American Record is one of his goals. He will get it. It is one of the softest American Records there is, and he's better than the guy who holds it. His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
Who are you referring to Flagpole? Who has said he doesn't have the talent to break the AR? Some of us have said he won't break 27:00, whereas, based on your ridiculous 5k prediction of a potential sub-12:50 for him, you would have him eventually going @ 26:40. And that is still funny to this day.
Calling Out Flagpole wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:There is no doubt that Ritz has the talent to break the American Record. I love it how many of you needed him to beat someone like Mottram before you would entertain this. He's said the American Record is one of his goals. He will get it. It is one of the softest American Records there is, and he's better than the guy who holds it. His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
Who are you referring to Flagpole? Who has said he doesn't have the talent to break the AR? Some of us have said he won't break 27:00, whereas, based on your ridiculous 5k prediction of a potential sub-12:50 for him, you would have him eventually going @ 26:40. And that is still funny to this day.
Dude, I don't keep track of all the posters who have said that Ritz would be lucky to run even 27:20 and that I wasn't giving Meb enough credit for his AR. I've heard that line a lot though from different posters here. Also I never said 26:40. I said 26:50, and I still think he can run that fast.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
There is no doubt that Ritz has the talent to break the American Record. I love it how many of you needed him to beat someone like Mottram before you would entertain this. He's said the American Record is one of his goals. He will get it. It is one of the softest American Records there is, and he's better than the guy who holds it. His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
how is he better than the guy who holds it? Meb has faster 1500,5000,10000, and mara times.
Meb:
1500, 3:42.29 (1998); 5,000 13:11.77 (2000); 10,000 27:13.98 AR (2001) Marathon 2:09:53 (2004).
Ritz:
# 1,500 m - 3:42.99 (2002)
# 5,000 m - 13:16.61 (2006)
# 10,000 m - 27:35.65 (2006)
So right now, Meb is clearly better than Ritz. Nevermind the Oly medal and the numerous USA titles and WC finals he has made.
classic wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:There is no doubt that Ritz has the talent to break the American Record. I love it how many of you needed him to beat someone like Mottram before you would entertain this. He's said the American Record is one of his goals. He will get it. It is one of the softest American Records there is, and he's better than the guy who holds it. His for the taking -- unless someone beats him to it.
how is he better than the guy who holds it? Meb has faster 1500,5000,10000, and mara times.
Meb:
1500, 3:42.29 (1998); 5,000 13:11.77 (2000); 10,000 27:13.98 AR (2001) Marathon 2:09:53 (2004).
Ritz:
# 1,500 m - 3:42.99 (2002)
# 5,000 m - 13:16.61 (2006)
# 10,000 m - 27:35.65 (2006)
So right now, Meb is clearly better than Ritz. Nevermind the Oly medal and the numerous USA titles and WC finals he has made.
Meb has better PRs NOW. Doesn't mean he's better. Ritz is still progressing. Meb won't get any faster. Ritz has more talent. Ritz is better. His PRs will all be better (except for MAYBE the 1500 as who knows if he'll ever run that again) than Meb's.
yes it does mean he is better. because you don't know what the future will hold. he may become so injured he never improves his marks. saying someone has talent doesn't mean they are better if they don't have the performances to back them up. all you can say is Ritz MIGHT be better down the road, but you cannot say he is definively better.
I
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Meb has better PRs NOW. Doesn't mean he's better...Ritz has more talent. Ritz is better. His PRs will all be better (except for MAYBE the 1500 as who knows if he'll ever run that again) than Meb's.
I appreciate that Flagpole is willing to predict very uncertain outcomes, but I hope for Ritz's sake that this prediction by Flagpole is one of his rare correct ones.
classic wrote:
yes it does mean he is better. because you don't know what the future will hold. he may become so injured he never improves his marks. saying someone has talent doesn't mean they are better if they don't have the performances to back them up. all you can say is Ritz MIGHT be better down the road, but you cannot say he is definively better.
Depends on how you define better. I define it by talent, and I'll go so far as to say that in this case it is talent that WILL be realized. Meb is NOT the runner that Ritz is. Ritz may never win a Silver medal in the Olympics; one race doesn't make someone better. Luck plays a HUGE role in Olympic marathon races -- not lucky that he ran well, but lucky that others didn't.
Ritz is better.
talent is purely subjective and is easily swayed by bias, which it appears you are.
i like to have some methodical way of comparing people. meb has more medals and faster times, that makes him better in my book. plus if you want to argue talent, meb ran just as fast (and in some cases faster) as a 24-25 yr old as Ritz did. but you must have forgotten that.
Flagpole Willy wrote:...(except for MAYBE the 1500 as who knows if he'll ever run that again)...
I hope he does run it again. If only for his career resume and posterity. He could probably bust out a 3:38. Just run that puppy and get under 3:40, Ritz.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Dude, I don't keep track of all the posters who have said that Ritz would be lucky to run even 27:20 and that I wasn't giving Meb enough credit for his AR. I've heard that line a lot though from different posters here. Also I never said 26:40. I said 26:50, and I still think he can run that fast.
The point is, not many people have said that Ritz DOESN'T HAVE the talent to run an AR, as you have asserted. They have simply said he WON'T run that fast for whatever reason, injury, fatigue, whatever. And here you are, once again feeling the need to get the Ritz bandwagon going again after his usual ONE early good race. You have yet to know whether you, yet again, spoke too soon.
As for me, yes, I ultimately see him going in the 27:08-27:18 range and sub 13:10 for 5k but not much faster. He may get there, but it'd have to be the perfect race. You did, however, say that Ritz would likely run sub-12:50 one day, and that suggests a 26:40 10k, whether you predicted a specific time or not.
curity wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:...(except for MAYBE the 1500 as who knows if he'll ever run that again)...I hope he does run it again. If only for his career resume and posterity. He could probably bust out a 3:38. Just run that puppy and get under 3:40, Ritz.
I agree that he could.
Flagpole Willy wrote:Meb is NOT the runner that Ritz is. Ritz may never win a Silver medal in the Olympics; one race doesn't make someone better. Luck plays a HUGE role in Olympic marathon races -- not lucky that he ran well, but lucky that others didn't.
Ritz is better.
First, I agree that Ritz possesses the innate physical ability to break the WR and have thought so for some time.
Second, the rest of this is hysterical; you have quite the wit, because there's no way you can be serious about judging "better" based on some subjective definition of "talent" instead of actual performance. When, and only when, Ritz achieves more than Meb will he be "better."
Last I checked, they don't award medals or records based on "talent" or "potential." Meb has the hardware, PRs and spots on the starting line in major international finals. Right now, Ritz can only dream about what Meb already has.