This is not a conversion. It is an equivalency chart. It does not say that his time is converted to... but that it is equated to...
Like saying that biking x miles is equivalent to running 1/3x miles. Not converting times, just comparing different genres so to speak.
An observer of threads..... wrote:
You seem to do a poor job at dismissing the people that say that Hall will never run times as fast as Webb and Tegenkamp.
> For those that "get it", it is obvious that I am comparing achievement levels, not intra-event comparisons (that said, I thonk that a serious 10,000 between the three, with Fam and a healthy Ritz thrown in for good measure, would be blockbuster event).
>As I stated, it will be interesting to see where each runner stands ranked in there RESPECTIVE events at the end of the year, as well as in Beijing. We are fortunate to have three young talents, about the same age, at about the same achievement level, and each with considerable potential for improvement.
My question to you is where would you draw the line with these chart comparisons? Why not throw Jeremy Wariner into the equation since you think there is value in trying to compare apples to oranges?
> I draw the line at about 800 meters, since this is primarily a distance running message board. I don't think that anyone will contest that JW is at highest leve of the sport, to which the "Three Amigos" can aspire.
Don't forget that by doing the training for the marathon, Hall's overall fitness will have improved- mainly his strength though. So when he comes back down to training for 5000m or 10000m if he decides to at some point, he may have the same effect that Jen Rhines had after she ran a marathon or two, where she saw her 5000m PR drop quiet a bit, and I'm sure her overall performances and fitness improved. I don't know if this strength would help one run a faster 1500/mile, but deffinately the longer events. I wonder when Hall will return to the track, and I can't wait to see what he is capable of doing.
old double lapper wrote:
For those that "get it", it is obvious that I am comparing achievement levels, not intra-event comparisons
Oh I "get it"....you're basically trying to show how Hall's time compares to other achievements, not within the same event. I ran some calculations and see that his 2:08 is equal to a .337 49 hr 136 rbi season in baseball. The football equivalent is more like a qb rating of 102.8. I don't know about NASCAR or rugby though.....
Metahuman wrote:
Isn't the point who's had the best performance according the IAAF tables, not whether they could beat each other's times.
That said Webb has shown the best range so far.
How has Webb shown the best range? His 2006 was done after his 10k. Ryan Hall was runner up in NC XC in college, Webb didn't hang around. In 2006 he won XC nats 12k, USATF 20k set and AR in 20k, then set and AR in the HM and ran the 2nd fastest Marathon. Webb is faster by 4 sec in the 5k.
12k - Marathon - Hall.
5k/10k push.
800-2 Mile - Webb.
Looks like hall's got more range
Honduras wrote:I ran some calculations and see that his 2:08 is equal to a .337 49 hr 136 rbi season in baseball. The football equivalent is more like a qb rating of 102.8. I don't know about NASCAR or rugby though.....
My calcs say .401 BA, 59 HR, with two World Series grand slams.
Hard to equate a marathon though. The course was fast. Running NY in 2:08:24 shouldn't equate the same way, but it does. It's a little like (just a little) equating XC times to track equivalents. Depends on the course.
Either way, Hall will run faster than the AR this season in the 10k, if he takes a serious shot at it. Seriously, can you really think he cant approach that time? The only problem with him getting the record is he will have to deal with the likes of Fam.
jonesy wrote:
no, 2:08:24 converts to 3:49.89 (according to the above), which is worse than webb's 3:48.9 mile.
Jonesy, i thought that 3:49.89 is less than 3:48.9? no?
Webb's fat time was .92.
Unrated wrote:
Either way, Hall will run faster than the AR this season in the 10k, if he takes a serious shot at it. Seriously, can you really think he cant approach that time? The only problem with him getting the record is he will have to deal with the likes of Fam.
Yea, in the very least he can take a great shot at it. We have a few guys who can come close. Teg for obvious reasons. Fam as well. Abdi ran fairly close to it last season.