Armstrong did fail a drug test

My point was in referencing the saddle sore cream. I can't believe I'm spending so much time today on debating what happened with Lance's butt and its effect on the world of sport. But then again, he is an ass. the rest of the article talks about other stuff too I'm sure, but the drug test he FAILED was for cream he was putting on his FANNY!

Even that sample, however, was below the levels that would have triggered a positive result at the time.

Damn Girlies!!!! Why all the fuss about some gay biker.... Who the F*ck cares about it??? Public perception is a powerful thing - these three and landis will allways be associated with being dirty - and rightfully so - get over it! move on!

ahab wrote:

My point was in referencing the saddle sore cream. I can't believe I'm spending so much time today on debating what happened with Lance's butt and its effect on the world of sport. But then again, he is an ass. the rest of the article talks about other stuff too I'm sure, but the drug test he FAILED was for cream he was putting on his FANNY!

So basically, you're going off of something that you read one time. Care to back any of that up other than by just saying so?

Also, this post shows that you are definitely being highly objective. If anything, it shows that you simply don't like him and would believe anything you read about him that cast him in a bad light, regardless of the truth (or lack of truth) behind any allegations.

This cream you refer to has been used in Euro races for many many years... it has a steriod in it like the one the doctor gives you for a hernia... it does not improve performance it does however test positive. Europeans all use virtually the same cream for alot of things its in almost every medicine cabinet in Europe like triple anitbitoic in the US. Get over it, it was just a creme I presrcibed for many patients.

Dr. Douglass

Montreal

Well...it is 2007. This is all from 99 and there was available info back then that the article I reference illustrates. but whatever- I'm not an investigative reporter and I'm not going to become one to deal with this thread. the info that comes out all the time now is different because we're so far away from then.

Yes it is not too objective of me- I dont dig people who take the spots of others on professional teams because they are willing to use drugs or even actovegin (moo)(legal). i used to compete and in college was offered performance enhancing "products" which i declined. It was at a time when I was wondering what happened to the culture of my sport and of biking and why it felt like I didnt like anyone in it anymore and then I realized because alot of them are willing to do this stuff and take the place or prize money of someone that doesn't. this is how i felt in 99 and todays story on thorpe ( referencing LA) unfortunately perpetuates it.

Beat you wish you had taken those performance enhancers now huh! Maybe you would be less likely to rip on someone you dont even know...

Lance is perhaps the most (drug) tested athlete in hostory. He was supposedly clean on all tests in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. I am betting his butt cream did not help him too much in those years.

ahab wrote:

but whatever- I'm not an investigative reporter and I'm not going to become one to deal with this thread.

"Deal with" this thread? You started this thread.

So let's review: We have a legal, topical cream that does not enhance performance for which Armstrong obtained prior permission, a fact backed up the Tour officials themselves. The same tour officials who have long since been shown not be fans of the American anyway and who had no problem throwing riders out of the tour that year for failing to get approval

All of this reported by the media at the time.

We have one article listed by you which actually refutes your own basic premise (that he "failed" a drug test).

We have a reference to "plenty" of information out there, NONE of which you can reference and unwillingness by you to do so.

I have no problem with the concept that Lance Armstrong might be a drug cheat. But if you are going to flat out claim he FAILED a test, it's up to you to back it up with more than the fact that you "dont like anyone" in the sport anymore.

You want to say someone failed a test? Point to Landis. In that case it's true. But clean or not, Armstrong never failed one. Sorry, but if you try to revise history, it needs to be pointed out.

Did he fail a test in 99 or not? I say yes. I included an excerpt from velonews that confirms that.

I do know people that have used. I'm ripping on them. I'm stating a fact on LA who I dont know, but the culture of cycling sucks because of cheaters, besides him.

ahab - I'm confused why you talk about it being 2007 vs 1999... are you saying that information available now has been doctored or altered to fit the "spin" that the creme LA used was Pre-approved? That information to the contrary was suppressed and is no longer available?

I'll admit to being completely uninformed on this particular issue, but from where I sit it looks like you've fixated upon a viewpoint and won't listen to any form of counter-argument.

So I'm not going to regurgitate a bunch of circumstantial evidence "proving" that Armstrong used PEDs, but does anyone actually still think he was squeaky clean all through his unheard of stretch of TDF wins?

Yeah well I read lots of stuff that says he never failed a drug test. Thats all over the place, like today. But its harder to reference docs I read 7 or 8 years ago but the info has been drowned out by this new "never failed a drug test" stuff. because thats counter to what I remember having happened or having read. I attached the link to one of the only docs out there that says it which is a credible cycling mag not a tabloid. If someone could prove he never has failed one, that would actually be good news to me. But thats going to be just as hard to prove. If nobody else remebers that it WAS an issue with the cream (and who cares what cream it was) then fine, adios.

Great logic! So now suddenly it's not up to YOU to prove he DID fail a drug test (something you have failed miserably at so far) but rather it's up to US prove he did NOT fail one?.

That's just priceless.

A waste of time with you anyway. Any source mentioned that contradicts you, you simply say the media conspired to cover it up. You have started with a conclusion and facts be damned.

yeah well I still think he did fail one. News stories reported that in the past. I wish you'd remember it. And I guess I should have said it would be great news to me to "know" he never used drugs, but that aint going to happen.

well... it is good logic, you responded to my thread you prove me wrong then.

Of course you can only attach every story written by mainstream media that says ".... and Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test bla bla bla." But that doesn't work for me nor should it anybody else when it was publishedand known the cream deal was not PRIOR as you keep saying.

Allright fine. I'm flying to France to dig up some records. I'll post again when I get back.

A) Armstrong obtained prior medical approval for the use of a corticosteroid cream during the tour for saddle sores. This is common and non-performance enhancing.

B) The level that showed up in his test WAS NOT ABOVE the threshold for a positive test. A trace amount showed up, but would have been reported as a "negative" even if he didn't have approval.

C) Kindly STFU and go back to France.

ahab wrote:

yeah well I still think he did fail one. News stories reported that in the past. I wish you'd remember it. And I guess I should have said it would be great news to me to "know" he never used drugs, but that aint going to happen.

well... it is good logic, you responded to my thread you prove me wrong then.

It does not work that way. YOU made the claim, it is YOU that carries the burden to prove what you assert. It is not up to others to "prove a negative."

So far the only "proof" you offer is that "8 or 9 years ago" you think you read an article about this, but you cannot find any citations to that "article," you cannot find any other sources that confirm it and you have no other proof at all. Combine this with the admitted fact that ALL other articles and sources you have found say he did not fail a test.

I imagine you can "think" what you want, but that simply does not make it true. Your imaginary world sounds very nice though. What color is the sky in your world?

ahab wrote:

yeah well I still think he did fail one. News stories reported that in the past.

And I still think Richard Jewell was responsible for the Atlanta Olympic bombing. News stories reported that in the past.

Guess I dont need to go that Colman article says it all right here:

Some, like cyclist Lance Armstrong, have never failed a drug test.

Well he must have or probably investigated it and I should just believe it like you. and the news reports from years ago. I'll just delete them from my memory. Velonews? Don't remember it! I got no support from this thread so its a lost cause. its a running site anyway. So I'll close a believer like you. Go Lance! I hope you win it again. Retired? He didn't retire! Prove it. In my mind he's still racing. Going for #8.