Weight question for all over 40 yr olds.....

Skuj wrote:

Discuss using at least two sides of the paper.

At least? How many sides do you think paper has?

HS:

weight ~ up to 110-115 (5'7")

1.5 mile ~ 9:00 (never ran a mile or 1500)

now 41:

weight ~ 145-148 (same height)

1500 - 4:17.5 last August (have only run one track mile, by myself, so I don't count it, but it was 4:41.01), although currently nowhere near that shape

wondering wrote:

Skuj wrote:

Discuss using at least two sides of the paper.

At least? How many sides do you think paper has?

:)

You tell me!

I think I was around 130 in high school. Ran 4:33/9:44.

I'm 155 now and am in 4:28/9:35 shape (at 41).

I got back down to 140 once when I was about 28, and I looked sickly. Now I have too much muscle leftover from my triathlon career--it just won't go away!

I am really surprised that guys are coming on here and throwing the bullshit flag. Sub 5 is ridiculously easy for any D1 or D11 athlete who continued to train through their 20s and 30s. If you love to run and you stayed healthy (no major injuries, not a lot of drinking or smoking) all you needed was about 30 miles a week (on average) for 22 years. Piece of cake. I can run sub 5 routinely at the end of mile repeat sessions leading up to both my spring and fall marathons. That's at the end of 6x1mile or 8x1mile. I can only run a 2:40-2:45 marathon. That regularly barely places me in the top 20 masters at major marathons. I have never even been close to being a top master in a major road race or marathon. I am frequently 10 to 15 minutes behind the top master. In Europe there are even more guys. Hell, last fall, Lance Armstrong ran 4:50 at the end of a track workout in prep for NYCM. He's not even a runner (way too much body mass). I know he is 35-36, but I don't see why a guy like that won't be running sub 5 at 40.

I think when you can run under 4:30 at 40+, you are really running at the top.

High school weight -- 105 (but then college weight when I was even faster 119)

Weight now -- 152

Mile then -- 4:32

Mile now -- 5:30 (guess)

Where should ideal weight be -- 132

flagga wrote:

I am really surprised that guys are coming on here and throwing the bullshit flag. Sub 5 is ridiculously easy for any D1 or D11 athlete who continued to train through their 20s and 30s.

There aren't many guys -- let alone letsrunners -- who are willing to do what you suggest. We want to eat, drink, post here, and go for the occasional jog...er, run.

HS 17 years old 5'7" 118lb 4:25

41 years old 5'8" 165lb 5:41

42 years old 5'8" 156lb 5:20

I didn't run in HS. I was taking steroids for a medical condition 3 years ago and had BAD PF. I got into weights for a while, got stronger, but got much slower....21 pounds worth.

It makes it easy at work; I get phone calls: "can you help us move/unload/load some materials/supplies/inventory" from which I get regular free coffees and lunches on a semi-regular basis (which is really nice) but running is much MUCH harder now.

It provides perspective: do you

1. want to be light and quick but need help moving heavy-ish objects?

or

2. being the "go to" guy and hearing people say "wow, you did that yourself?" but being unable to runs 7:00-pace on a whim, but however find yourself able to shovel a snow-filled driveway with aplomb?

Curious.

Frankly, I miss having my old speed.

Our high school track coach is 45. He does a mile time trial every week in 5 or under by himself. Runs mid to high 16's for 5k and 116-117 for a half.

I didn't run for 18 years and with about a year and a half of training was running 17 flat for 5k. Didn't run the mile, but would probably have been around 5 flat or better. I was avg 71 for 8-400's with 400 recovery in workoouts.

I'm old, not that talented, but on the sub 5 list 2005-6 lists for the mile. There are lots of regulars here on those lists.So your BS is just that.

why oh why wrote:

Reality check for you old fukkers

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*****BERNARD LAGAT

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Ooooops. wrote:

I didn't run in HS. I was taking steroids for a medical condition 3 years ago and had BAD PF. I got into weights for a while, got stronger, but got much slower....21 pounds worth.

It makes it easy at work; I get phone calls: "can you help us move/unload/load some materials/supplies/inventory" from which I get regular free coffees and lunches on a semi-regular basis (which is really nice) but running is much MUCH harder now.

It provides perspective: do you

1. want to be light and quick but need help moving heavy-ish objects?

or

2. being the "go to" guy and hearing people say "wow, you did that yourself?" but being unable to runs 7:00-pace on a whim, but however find yourself able to shovel a snow-filled driveway with aplomb?

Curious.

Frankly, I miss having my old speed.

I've been light and quick and definitely enjoyed that, but now in addition to running 5-6 days a week, I also life weights 2-3 days a week. Perhaps weight lifting isn't necessary for everyone to have decent upper body strength, but for me the weightlifting has helped me make incredible strides. Not everyone responds the same to weight lifting. When I'm in the middle of a 90-day weight lifting routine, I pack on some serious muscle. It's kind of amazing to me how fast it packs on. Extra upper body strength helps with all kinds of daily tasks from shoveling to trimming the hedge to carrying my gold bricks from the East Wing of the house to the narthex (where it is put under security glass). I prefer the upper body strength these days. Necessary the older you get.

Good points AK.

THe other thing the doubters have to realize is a lot of the masters know each other or have heard of each other.

THe masters will let you know when something is out of whack! I bet no over 40 guys who race regularly and know the times have any doubts.

Didn't they read the part I wrote about some of the top guys doing 3 or 6 sub 5's in a row?

The other thing for people to remember is that Letsrun doesn't exactly have a random sampling of master's runners. The weekly master's thread, which is infested with American Record-holders and National Champions, is practically a "Who's Who" of U.S. Master's running right now. When they aren't injureed, those guys are cranking serious repeats, often, as has been said, at or under 5:00 each. But these are the top 0.1% of people over 40 who run and compete.

Your average 40+ schlub is lucky to be able to break 6:00, even if they (supposedly) ran 4:30 in high school, and they have no interest in the types of things Letsrunners will get into. They are more interested in little Davion's potty training or the latest field trip to Ikea. Go into the RW or coolrunning masters forums if you want a better idea of what I'm talking about.

Skuj wrote:

You tell me!

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Wt 155

ran 4:21 @ age17

153lbs @ 48y/o

I think with faster

speed sessions about 4:30

Well said, growth rings.

One thing I noticed from this thread is that many of the faster times are correlated with only a small increase in body weight. While some of us enjoy a couple of beers in the evening, I would guess that most of us are more conscious of our diet than we were in high school - I know I was fueled by junk food and Mountain Dew. So it's not surprising that we might actually be in better shape than we were in high school. Add to that a wealth of experience from reading, running and maybe coaching for the 20+ years since high school, and you have some smart, fit runners who have kept the aging process in check and can still crank out some fast miles.

Wow. What's a good term for this phenomenon? Group trolling? Circle jerking?

You guys are hilariously needy.

HS PR - Never ran in competition, ran lower 5s but cannot remember; best PRs were a 10:37 on a 2-mile XC course and 1:19.5 for 600 yards spring my senior year when I did not run track (would not have been good enough for varsity or even JV to run for a big, southern Calif HS). I ran 4:46 on a dirt track as part of a 4x440, 2xmile workout HS weight 141 (5'10.5") at end, 83/4'11+" very beginning of freshman year; grew too fast to be strong for my size throughout HS.I now weigh 137 (morning weight), mid-50s. Now I would be able to run about 6-flat if I did a little consistent speed work. I was working on maybe racing some 10K - 20K races and at least trying to running under 42 for 10K. (When I got my long run up to I aside from disk problems that have knocked me out of running for 7 months).

Donald Trumpet wrote:

During your senior yr of HS,

How much did you weigh?

What was your mile PR?

How much do you weigh now?

How fast do you think you can run the mile now?