Ritz to train with Mahon's or Salazar's group??

"How the hell can I know what will happen?"

I didn't say: "Sell WILL BE a better marathoner than Ritz." I said: Sell IS a better marathoner than Ritz. You, however, seem to be operating on the assumption that Ritz WILL BE better (not now, but will be) than Sell ("if ritz spends any significant stratch of time devoted to the event...") when in reality Sell IS already a better marathoner. Period.

You, like so many great Letsrun minds, use the irrefutable argument: "You're an idiot" to attempt persuade the letsrun audience that in fact your percecption of reality is without question the obvious true perception of reality. "You're an idiot", usually written "Your an idiot", perhaps attempting to be ironical - who am I to question such heightend levels of rhetoric.

How can I argue any further? I guess I just will have to look at the facts: Ritz - 2:14. Sell 2:10. The better marathoner - Sell. I win.

Is this for real or what? When is Ritz making the switch?

I don't think he is swtching, as far as from what little I've heard.

I think Ritzenhein will make some big leaps this year. 27:20 & 13:08

Imagine the two of them training together, a lot like Shorter and crew did years ago

I love this board, this is the post of the day

LMT wrote:

Imagine the two of them training together, a lot like Shorter and crew did years ago

I think you mean like Bill Rodgers. Frank Shorter was known as the guy that was impossible to train with. Ask Galloway or Liquori or better yet check with Jack Bachelor. The history of our sport is often clouded by the results.

It seems that Hall enjoys training alone. He has stated in many interviews that he likes banging out workouts by himself. It also seems that he has injured his current team member(also a college teammate).

Are you referring to a physical or a personality difference?

Bob Wildes wrote:

Are you referring to a physical or a personality difference?

Personality. Frank is now and was then a prick and couldn't get along with anyone for any period of time.

To want Ritz and Hall to train together like Shorter and anyone would be a disaster.

Ok maybe you have something with Rodgers & Shorter racing each other. We have something to look forward to over the next few years.

Now that Ritz is again hurt maybe this will be the final straw that answers this question? How many chances does Hudson need with Ritz. More evidence that another more knowledgeable coach maybe the key to this injury bug. Also a move away from Boulder may not be all that bad either

ttc wrote:

Is the Hanson's group as individualized as Hudson and others?? I think that's what it'd take for even a chance. I just don't see Ritz leaving altitude to go to a big group that is not near his talent, even with Sell.

If you go back to the stuff Ritz said in an interview about not having to run as much as Sell because Sell didn't have his talent (I think Ritz said something like 90-95 mpw, when Meb and Hall get up to 120 max, and that's "light mileage" compared with what the Hanson's guys seem to run), I really wonder if Mahon/Vigil would take him, unless he makes a commitment to work as hard as the others in the group.

My impression is that Ritz' real problem (if you can call someone with his times a problem) is what's between his ears. I've seen Salazar coaching Rupp and others a a couple of meets and Salz looks to me like Bobby Knight in a warmup suit--probably the most in-charge coach at a meet that I've ever seen. I think THIS more so than the training environment is what Ritz needs and what Goucher has said about acting like professionals comes into play here.

[quote]Former Florida Track Club wrote:

Personality. Frank is now and was then a prick and couldn't get along with anyone for any period of time.

Could you please elaborate on you statement that Frank was and still is a prick? What kind of behavior put him in the prick category?

No information, that's right no information, because that would scare away the potental sponsers of Brad's group dontcha see? Take away Ritz and what do you have with that group?

no information wrote:

http://www.Bouldertraining.com

Sponsors? The NYRR gave them money because they wanted Ritz to run the marathon. Brad will not raise a buck and a half on his own.

How long will it be before this becomes reality? The groups in the wet are the best(Or & Cali)

Mark my words, won't be long now before the word is out on the street about the move.

5500 feet wrote:

How long will it be before this becomes reality? The groups in the wet are the best(Or & Cali)

..I have heard the same...that being Ritz will be moving to the west coast.....but this was info from a friend of his wife..... my question was whether he was going to be leaving Hudson, and that info was unknown.....