vegetarian to vegan

Any diet that does not include animal products does not include a natural source of vitamin B12. Lack of B12 can cause pernicious anemia.

Human beings in fact have evolved as omnivores. Getting entirely away from the carnivorous component of that is not, for most people, the "healthiest" way to go.

However, most human groups did not evolve to ingest the quantities of meat that the average American eats. So a "vegetarian" (or near-vegetarian) diet that includes some animal products is probably best for most.

I've been watching "Supersize Me" this week. Yikes.

What if you take a B-12 supplement?

Soy increases your estrogen levels. Watch out, lest you become a little pussy.

What about seitan?

present wrote:

Any diet that does not include animal products does not include a natural source of vitamin B12. Lack of B12 can cause pernicious anemia.

Human beings in fact have evolved as omnivores. Getting entirely away from the carnivorous component of that is not, for most people, the "healthiest" way to go.

However, most human groups did not evolve to ingest the quantities of meat that the average American eats. So a "vegetarian" (or near-vegetarian) diet that includes some animal products is probably best for most.

I've been watching "Supersize Me" this week. Yikes.

Metabolic Typing

by Kelly Baggett

Over the years I've done quite a bit of research on metabolic typing and I'd like to talk a little bit about this concept. Metabolic typing is the term for a form of nutritional management and diet based upon the concept that people have unique metabolisms, and therefore the nutrients and their balance (which are appropriate for one person) may be inappropriate for a second, and detrimental for a third.

A principle of metabolic typing is that different populations of people and their respective genetic pools have developed over time, different types of metabolism. For example, some people oxidize carbohydrates quickly and others oxidize them slowly. Some people have a sympathetic nervous system which is more (or less) reactive than their parasympathetic system, and so on. Because of this, different nutrients, eating patterns, and supplementary trace elements will often have different effects for different people. Thus, a particular regimen that may be applicable for some individuals (ie. some metabolic types), will be inapplicable or deleterious for others. For example, some people might benefit from a high protein diet which would lead them to feel high in energy and healthy, but for others the identical diet would problematically lead to weight gain and fatigue. Such people might need a low protein/high carbohydrate diet for the same effect, due to differences in how their bodies metabolize food.

Examples of this can be seen in populations such as the Inuit (Eskimo) or tropical tribespeople, whose diets (although radically different), seem to be healthy for them, and also in the reduction in health that such populations often seem to incur when they exchange their diet for that of a different population.

There are many different popular diets and books based on observing or measuring physiological differences between various people. Some of the popular variations of metabolic typing include the Metabolic typing diet, Eat Right 4 your type diet, blood type diet, the acid-alkaline diet, agriculturist vs hunter-gatherer diet, Earth wind and fire diet, and many others. Good luck narrowing any of them down to easily comprehensible characteristics, much less all of them.

The Two Main Indicators of Metabolic Type

Based on my research and observation, I've determined that most of the various manifestations of metabolic type can be deduced down to just two characteristics or indicators: either a person has an efficient metabolism, or they have an inefficient metabolism. Think about that for a second. What does efficiency mean? It is the ratio of energy developed to the energy supplied. So, someone with an efficient metabolism would be able to yield a lot of energy per unit of energy ingested. Someone with an in-efficient metabolism would require more ingested energy to yield a given amount of expressed energy.

To make it simple, someone with an efficient metabolism has a genetic propensity to efficiently save and/or store ingested calories. Someone with an inefficient metabolism is more genetically geared to spend and/or waste calories.

People with an efficient metabolism are sometimes called thrifty phenotypes in the scientific literature.

People with an inefficient metabolism are sometimes called spendthrift phenotypes in the scientific literature.

Characteristics of a very efficient (calorie saving) metabolism include:

Very insulin and carbohydrate sensitive - Insulin is a hormone the body uses to ‘store’ or ‘pack away’ calories for later use. Obviously, it makes sense that an efficient metabolism would either respond very well to insulin and/or overproduce insulin in response to elevated blood glucose, which mainly comes from carbohydrate intake. This enhanced blood glucose sensitivity would ensure that incoming fuel would not go to waste. It would either be immediately burned or easily packed away for later use. At a given level of body-fat, insulin sensitivity can vary nearly 10-fold between different people.

Lower natural sympathetic nervous system (SNS) output (natural ephedrine) - Sympathetic nervous system output refers to catecholamine levels (epinephrine and nor-epinephrine), and glucocorticoids (cortisol). These hormones are what energize us, keep us alert, and allow us to respond to stress. We sometimes artificially elevate them with caffeine and other stimulants. Generally speaking, levels of catecholamines and glucocorticoids in individuals tend to run in parallel. So if one produces a lot of epinephrine they also probably produce a lot of cortisol. Insulin sensitivity and sympathetic nervous system output tend to be inversely correlated. Thus, those that have a natural inclination towards an underactive SNS also tend to be more insulin and carbohydrate sensitive. The reverse is also true. One with a natural inclination towards an overactive SNS will tend to less insulin and carbohydrate sensitive.

Lack of natural muscle mass - Excess muscle mass burns up a lot of additional fuel. The last thing in the world a ‘fuel efficient’ machine would want is to have to lug around a bunch of useless muscle mass.

Slow twitch dominant muscle characteristics- Again, fast twitch muscle fibers and fast twitch characteristics tend to lend themselves to burning up a lot of fuel. An organism seeking to operate ‘efficiently’ would be best served to operate with a motor more like a Honda Civic and less like an F-1 race car.

A tendency to gain weight easily - This one is fairly self-explanatory. One with an efficient metabolism will have a lower metabolic rate and a natural propensity to store extra calories as fat rather than burning them off.

Hypoglycemic glucose response curve - The glucose response curve refers to what happens to levels of blood glucose in response to carbohydrate intake. There are 2 types of extreme glucose response curves. The first is a hypoglycemic glucose response curve. The 2nd is a flatline glucose response curve. Low blood glucose levels stimulate appetite and generally make us crave carbohydrates. If you give someone with a hypoglycemic glucose response curve 100 grams of glucose and measure their blood sugar levels, the levels will quickly shoot up into the stratosphere, yet 30 minutes later the blood glucose will probably be lower than it was before the meal was consumed. This is indicative of extreme insulin sensitivity and/or excessive insulin production (often both). This type of glucose response curve will naturally occur as one gets really lean and it leads to ravenous carbohydrate cravings and easy body-fat gain. However, some people will have this response to elevated blood glucose even when at normal levels of body-fat.

A flatline blood glucose curve is just the opposite. Instead of going up into the stratosphere and bouncing right back down, someone with a flatline glucose response curve will find their blood glucose levels go up and stay up for sometimes hours. Diabetics are extreme examples of people with flatline glucose response curves.

Subcutaneous adipose tissue fat storage patterns- There are two types of fat storage patterns, adipose and visceral. Adipose fat is the fat just under the skin and is fat you can pinch. Visceral fat lies underneath the organs in the abdominal area and makes the stomach push out. Ever seen these guys with big guts that have no fat on the outside to pinch? That is a good example of visceral fat. The extremely good insulin sensitivity and lower natural SNS production in this group leads to preferential adipose tissue fat storage patterns.

Lower natural blood pressure and Heart rate- Someone with an efficient metabolism will often to have naturally low to normal blood pressure and heart rate.

Health problems related to being overweight don't tend to set in until a SIGNIFICANT amount of fat has been gained - This goes in line with the above lower natural blood pressure and heart rate. Obesity obviously creates a multitude of health problems. Among those health problems include: high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, elevated tryglycerides, insulin resistance, and diabetes. Some people can get significantly fat (~100 pounds or more overweight), yet still have fairly normal levels of all the above. Other people start showing symptoms of these problems even at relatively normal or relatively low levels of fatness. People with efficient metabolisms tend to better tolerate increased levels of fatness from a health standpoint.

Lower natural energy levels with energy swings- Due to the natural propensity to have an underactive SNS, a lower level of natural energy often results. Swings in energy often result from swings in blood sugar.

Responds well to decreased amounts of carbohydrates in the diet- Due to the natural propensity to be sensitive to insulin and carbohydrates, someone with this type of metabolism responds well to diets that provide stable blood sugar levels. Low glycemic fruits and fibrous veggies should form the bulk of the carbohydrate intake. Low carb diets often work well for this type of metabolism and lots of people with this type of metabolism who embark on a low carb or ketogenic diet will often feel much more energetic than normal.

The Inefficient Metabolism

Characteristics of a very inefficient metabolism include:

Naturally more insulin resistant - Someone with an inefficient metabolism does not tend to be hyper-responsive to insulin. Thus, they can eat a high sugar meal and have normal levels of energy for hours and hours without crashing. They also tend to have more of a flatline blood glucose response curve and for that reason have more of a natural inclination towards diabetes. When they exercise, they tend to become more insulin sensitive.

Greater natural sympathetic nervous system output - Whereas the efficient metabolism demonstrates decreased SNS activity, adrenaline, and stress hormone levels, the inefficient metabolism tends to demonstrate increased SNS activity.

More muscle mass- This is not a given, but often inefficient metabolisms will demonstrate a greater natural level of muscle mass and more importantly, have a much easier time increasing their muscle mass in the absence of significant adipose tissue gain.

Fast twitch dominant muscle characteristics- This is also not always a given, yet anytime you see someone with extreme fast twitch dominant characteristics, (superior strength, power, or speed), there's a good bet they also have an inefficient metabolic type.

Greater natural energy level - This is due to the increased SNS activity in this group.

Tendency to both lose and gain fat easily- This might seem like a paradox but it makes sense when you consider the natural propensity towards insulin resistance in this group. Consider the current most popular scientific description of insulin resistance as it being a state in which the body tries to waste excess calories in order to prevent further fat gain. An organism that naturally tries to waste excess calories will have an easier time getting and/or becoming lean. However, if that insulin resistance reaches a certain point (which often happens with lack of activity and weight gain), nutrients can no longer be stored in the muscle and end up getting stored in fat cells. Additionally, the brain reaches a state where it thinks it’s starving even though it is well fed. Either of these can lead to easy weight gain. Thus, in the absence of activity this group can often easily gain a significant amount of fat. With activity this group will easily shed fat.

Think of what happens when you bring a fat guy with a big beer belly in the gym and get him training and eating right? He burns fat and builds muscle like nobodies business. Yet what happens when that same guy sits on his butt? He tends to pile on fat very quickly. A person does not have to be fat to have the metabolism of the fat guy.

Visceral adipose tissue fat storage patterns- This is again due to the increased SNS activity in this group, particularly of cortisol. Increased cortisol leads to preferential VAT distribution. The good thing about VAT is it is easy to lose and responds easily to decreased caloric intake. The bad thing is it dumps directly into the liver and can thus easily lead to health problems.

Higher natural blood pressure- People in this group won't necessarily tend to naturally have high blood pressure, but you won't find too many of them with low blood pressure.

Health problems related to being overweight set in at a relatively low level of BF or bodyweight- Because they already have more of a natural propensity towards insulin resistance, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, etc, and because those things are magnified by increasing body-fat, this group tends to have an easier time developing those things.

This group responds well to more carbs in the diet providing they stay active - They can also respond well to lower carb diets although some will struggle with energy level on that type of fare. Some people with these characteristics will have a hard time eating enough when they are active.

It should be evident that most people are a mix of the 2 extremes, however, most people will have a lean towards one side. Some people will have as few as one strong tendency from either of the groups that can become the dominant characteristic. Skinny hardgainers with fast metabolisms demonstrate increased SNS activity and lack of muscle size, yet don't share many other characteristics of the inefficient type.

In the United States, Native Americans (Indians) are a perfect example of the extreme efficient type, African Americans are a good example of the extreme inefficient type. Although you see increased obesity in both of those groups, that obesity probably tends to occur for nearly completely opposite reasons. One can become fat due to either being extremely sensitive to insulin (hypoglycemia), or from extreme insulin resistance. In the first case, blood sugar swings wildly back and forth all day long and appetite is difficult to control. In the second case, assuming one is inactive, blood sugar and insulin stay chronically elevated, the brain thinks it's starving even though it's well fed, and nutrients end up being stored in fat cells rather than muscle cells. More protein in the diet will help fix either problem.

So Which Group Are You In?

How do you identify which group you're in? Well, if you haven't figured it out from the above, simply observe what happens when you eat a high carbohydrate breakfast first thing in the morning. Do you feel like superman for 30 minutes and then crash? If so you're probably in the more efficient group. Can you eat a high carb breakfast and feel fine for 3 hours? If so you're probably in the less efficient group.

So, based on that information, what is your ideal diet? Protein recommendations need not vary that significantly between diets. An athlete needs 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight, which generally means that about 40% of your calories are going to come from protein. Most of the adjustments revolve around manipulating fat and carb consumption.

If you're an in-efficient metabolic type, you probably have better carbohydrate tolerance, aren't terribly efficient at oxidizing fats, thus you'll probably do well on a diet that is about 40 percent protein, 40-45 percent carbs and 15-20 percent fat. If you're an efficient metabolic type, you're probably carb intolerant, oxidize fats well, thus a diet lower in carbs and higher in fat is probably a better choice. A good starting point might be 40 percent protein, 20-30 percent carbs and 30-40 percent fat.

The main points to take home are that the efficient metabolisms are the ones that are really gonna have to get diligent and watch the carbohydrates in their diet and keep your activity levels up. Those with inefficient metabolisms can get away with eating crap providing they stay active (one reason why you'll see few professional football or basketball players on any elaborate restrictive diet), yet they're gonna have to be more careful if they let their activity levels lapse.

I was a lacto-vegetarian for 6years prior to becoming vegan. I've benn running for the last 15 years and as a lacto-veg my weight was pretty stable around 72-73kg. When I switched to vegan I saw my weight drop by aprox. 0.5kg/month until I became stable again at 66-67kg. This is without any dietary restriction. Strange thing is, I eat roughly the same amount of calories and my training has only increased a little. I wasn´t fat before, actually really ripped, but my build just went from being a little stocky to more lean and mean.

Watch your b12 intake (you need supplements) and also zinc, and vitamin D. Otherwise you would be better of with vegan food.

btw, my performance skyrocketed after losíng those last kilos (16.47 5k to 15.11 in a year)

smeagol

i'm became a vaginatarian. i am now hella fast

a wise man once said, if you don't know what you are talking about... don't open your mouth

present wrote:

Any diet that does not include animal products does not include a natural source of vitamin B12. Lack of B12 can cause pernicious anemia.

Human beings in fact have evolved as omnivores. Getting entirely away from the carnivorous component of that is not, for most people, the "healthiest" way to go.

However, most human groups did not evolve to ingest the quantities of meat that the average American eats. So a "vegetarian" (or near-vegetarian) diet that includes some animal products is probably best for most.

I've been watching "Supersize Me" this week. Yikes.

You'll probably drop a few pounds by eliminating all animal products from your diet. As a vegan, be concerned about sources of omega-3 fatty acids (turn to ground flaxseed or algal sources). The body stores several years worth of B-12, so that's not an urgent need. I drink a soymilk supplemented with B-12, zinc, and algal omega-3. I also take a vitamin D supplement. Eat plenty of dark green leafy vegetables for minerals.

Check out last Sunday's New York Times magazine cover story on "nutritionism" by Michael Pollan for a good overview on the current state of the American diet. (his advice: eat plants, mostly)