Equivalent to Ryan Hall's Half Marathon Record?

It's hard to compare a drug free run like Hall's to the hordes of drug aided performances we see - especially from athletes connected to Rosa, Hermens, Kostre, etc.

Tough question wrote:

It's hard to compare a drug free run like Hall's to the hordes of drug aided performances we see - especially from athletes connected to Rosa, Hermens, Kostre, etc.

True. Ryan is just toked up on Jesus.

Points Event Performance Mercier 2005 IAAF 2005

Half-Marathon 59:43.00 970 pts 1265 pts

Equivalent Performances Event Mercier 2005 IAAF 2005

1500m................ 3:30.18................. 3:28.61

5000m.................12:52.97................ 12:47.84

10000m ...............27:00.77................ 26:42.75

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Your average 400m [split] pace is 67.93 seconds.

The Purdy Points for 21097.5m in 59:43.00 is 1,094.13

VO2 Max based on this performance is 81.92 ml/kg/min and VO2 at this pace (88.83% of max) is 72.77ml/kg/min.

This performance is equivalent to:

Distance Purdy VO2 Max Cameron Riegal Average

100m....... 9.66 12.72 6.32 12.32 10.25

200m ......19.58 25.63 17.10 25.68 22.00

400m...... 43.53 52.03 43.00 53.55 48.03

800m......1:39.90 1:47.03 1:41.07 1:51.64 1:44.91

1k........2:09.73 2:15.56 2:11.47 2:21.44 2:14.55

1500m.....3:26.23 3:29.58 3:29.38 3:37.38 3:30.64

1600m.....3:41.99 3:44.80 3:45.18 3:52.77 3:46.18

1 Mile....3:43.46 3:46.22 3:46.66 3:54.21 3:47.64

3k........7:25.89 7:27.96 7:30.62 7:33.22 7:29.42

3200m.....7:58.33 8:00.89 8:03.27 8:05.31 8:01.95

2 Mile....8:01.36 8:03.98 8:06.32 8:08.32 8:04.99

4k.......10:08.43 10:13.93 10:14.59 10:14.82 10:12.94

3 Mile...12:24.02 12:32.89 12:31.58 12:30.51 12:29.75

5k.......12:52.25 13:01.83 13:00.15 12:58.88 12:58.28

8k.......21:13.73 21:28.67 21:24.06 21:21.85 21:22.08

6 Mile...25:56.98 26:10.34 26:06.18 26:04.77 26:04.57

10k......26:56.08 27:09.08 27:05.10 27:03.91 27:03.54

12k......32:43.05 32:52.73 32:49.86 32:50.13 32:48.94

15k......41:31.02 41:35.32 41:33.73 41:35.85 41:33.98

10 Mile..44:46.28 44:47.95 44:46.65 44:49.12 44:47.50

20k......56:23.89 56:24.93 56:24.52 56:25.74 56:24.77

Half Mar.59:43.00 59:43.00 59:43.00 59:43.00 59:43.00

Marathon.2:05:18.34 2:05:08.98 2:06:53.95 2:04:30.31 2:05:27.90

100k.... 5:25:55.69 5:06:50.65 5:53:21.50 5:10:44.98 5:24:13.21

Those two methods amke big difference. Because the first one has Hall whooping up on BK the other BK edges him out.

I like the first better b/c it makes Hall look better than BK.

In both cases Hall is better than any miler you want to throw out - Scott or Webb. And a doped up KK is still behind.

Meanwhile HSers in OR are still nutting off to precious pre

NY runner wrote:

In both cases Hall is better than any miler you want to throw out - Scott or Webb. And a doped up KK is still behind.

I'm not so sure that I agree with this statement.

Was Hall's single performance better than any of Scott or Webb's single performances? Most likely...

But, overall has Hall done enough to surpass the career of Scott or Webb up to this point? Not in my opinion.

A lot of people like to rip on Webb, but the fact of the matter is that he is a SOLID runner. The best American runner at this point in time easily. (Not including non-American born runners...we won't get into that again.)

Anyways, Hall kicked some ass. Period.

Webb's career is still much more impressive overall. If Hall can run with consistency that may change, but until then...

A half in 59:43.0 =

3:29.6

3:46.2

7:28.0

8:04.0

13:01.8

21:28.8

27:09.2

44:48.1

56:25.2

1:26:58.1

2:05:08.6

Ryan's age?

LMT wrote:

A half in 59:43.0 =

3:29.6

3:46.2

7:28.0

8:04.0

13:01.8

21:28.8

27:09.2

44:48.1

56:25.2

1:26:58.1

2:05:08.6

What calculator/set of tables? thanks

Quester wrote:

Ryan's age?

How would he have done in the 2005 or 2006 NCAA XC Championships?

Remember being 24 or 25 shouldn't mean anything.

Looks like it's rounded from the VO2 Max table you posted.

wineturtle wrote:

LMT wrote:

A half in 59:43.0 =

3:29.6

3:46.2

7:28.0

8:04.0

13:01.8

21:28.8

27:09.2

44:48.1

56:25.2

1:26:58.1

2:05:08.6

What calculator/set of tables? thanks

It's the equivalent of Florida whipping OSU 73-14. That's something you can relate easily to, Dauby.

Does anyone else think Dauby's statement is crazy? I don't think Webb is a solid runner. He has a good year, and then a bad year, a good year and then a bad year? This is all refers to after high schoool...

IAAF points, i.e. the Real Thing (just ask malmo:-):

Points

Event Performance IAAF 2005

Half-Marathon 59:43.00 1265 pts

Equivalent Performances

Event IAAF 2005

Mile 3:45.18

5000m 12:47.84

10000m 26:42.75

looks like a copy of vdot or a very good copy thereof

listed time/vdot times

3:29.6/3:30.21

3:46.2/3:46.89

7:28.0/7:28.82

13:01.8/13:02.35

21:28.8/21:28.88

27:09.2/27:09.2

44:48.1/44:48.01

56:25.2/56:24.96

1:26:58.1/1:26:57.98

2:05:08.6/2:08:05.14

bulls eye wrote:

Does anyone else think Dauby's statement is crazy? I don't think Webb is a solid runner. He has a good year, and then a bad year, a good year and then a bad year? This is all refers to after high schoool...

You are an idiot. Not a solid career thus far, huh?

3:50 mile

3:32 1500

8:11 2 mile (AMERICAN RECORD)

27:34 debut 10k

And all the other mile, 1500, CC, 3k, etc. amazing times he's ran that get lost in translation. And he's not a solid runner?

You are a joke.

Dauby really has a misperception of the track vs roads. Who is Dauby? He is obviously an Ohio State person. Has he ever run on the roads?

Hall's run is about as equivalent as Florida's romp on O$U.

Webb actually has a 3:48 mile to his credit. Don't forget that 13:10 5000m.

i did a little searching on here. some people asked about jk's equivalence charts. some other people suspected he used to post as zuzu's petals. well here's a small table i found that zuzu posted on this thread:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1280153&thread=1279355

Mile 2,400m 2M 5,000m 10,000m

3:41.30 5:45.48 7:53.65 12:37.35(WR) 26:18.04

3:47.3 5:55.2 8:07.2 13:00.0 27:07.3

3:55.3 6:08.2 8:25.3 13:30.0 28:12.6

4:03.3 6:21.1 8:43.3 14:00.0 29:17.9

4:11.3 6:34.0 9:01.3 14:30.0 30:23.1

4:19.2 6:46.9 9:19.4 15:00.0 31:28.4

4:27.2 6:59.9 9:37.4 15:30.0 32:33.7

4:35.2 7:12.8 9:55.4 16:00.0 33:38.9

4:43.2 7:25.7 10:13.5 16:30.0 34:44.2

this doesn't have the half times, but another thread:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1718804

had a post that said jk equated hall's time with a 12:56.25 and a 2:06:51 marathon. if zuzu is jk, then this little table would be part of jk's chart and would have a 12:56.25 equal to a 59:43. so if you do a little extrapolating, you can figure that zuzu/jk would have hall's time equal to a 3:46.3 mile, 8:04.9 for the 2-mile, and 26:59.1 for the 10,000. using the standard 1.08 factor for 1,500 to mile and 3,000 to 2-mile (don't know how close jk's charts are to that, but probably close enough) you get a 1,500 of 3:29.5 and a 3,000 of 7:29.0, rounding to the 10th.

so we have:

3:29.5

3:46.3

7:29.0

8:04.9

12:56.25

26:59.1

59:43

2:06:51