What is the fastest debut for an american? What are the top 10 that you know of and their age. I know everyone was expecting more out of ritz, but there can't be many faster american debuts and if there are, they have to be a bit older and more experienced with longer races.
2:09:41 Alberto Salazar
2:09:41 Alan Culpepper
2:11:15 Rudy Chapa
2:14:?? Craig Virgin
steve jones- 2:08:05- 1984
khalid khannouchi- 2:07:10- 1997
others debut wrote:
steve jones- 2:08:05- 1984
khalid khannouchi- 2:07:10- 1997
Steve Jones was never an American. Whatever you consider KK now, he wasn't an American at the time of that debut.
what is the fastest debut ever for someone that is over 40 years old at the time? Men and women.
Randy Thomas ran a 2:13 debut at NY, ?
Todd Williams ran 2:11 (I think) in his debut at Chicago, when easily past his prime. I think he would've been a monster at 26.2 if he moved up earlier. If he could finish 6th and 9th in the world for a track 10K, then he could've medaled at 26.2, and maybe been our best marathoner ever (KK doesn't have championship credentials).
Greg Meyer ran 2:13 in his debut. Which means that Ritz doesn't even have the fastest marathon debut from a guy from the Grand Rapids area.
put ritz at chicago with good weather and he runs 4-5 minutes faster for a debut marathon
Yes, Greg Meyer may have had a better debut, but it was on an easier course and he was a tad older. I think Ritz has potential for better times than Greg but probably not a Marathon championship due to much deeper competition presently versus the mid 80's. Greg never had a sub 13:20 5k or 27:35 10K on his resume either.
apples to apples wrote:
put ritz at chicago with good weather and he runs 4-5 minutes faster for a debut marathon
Put him in Chicago this year and he runs 2:18. The leaders went out at 63 minutes. His fade would have been far worse.
michigan connection wrote:
Greg Meyer ran 2:13 in his debut. Which means that Ritz doesn't even have the fastest marathon debut from a guy from the Grand Rapids area.
Greg ran 2:13:07 in 1980 to win the Detroit Free Press Marathon.
h lindsay wrote:
Yes, Greg Meyer may have had a better debut, but it was on an easier course and he was a tad older. I think Ritz has potential for better times than Greg but probably not a Marathon championship due to much deeper competition presently versus the mid 80's. Greg never had a sub 13:20 5k or 27:35 10K on his resume either.
If this in fact Herb. You should be aware of how little other distances mean when it comes to the marathon.
apples to apples wrote:
put ritz at chicago with good weather and he runs 4-5 minutes faster for a debut marathon
The weather in NYC this year was far better than in Chicago. Not even debatable. Chicago is a faster course, but no way Ritz runs 5 minutes faster there. 60 seconds max, if at all.
apples to apples wrote:
put ritz at chicago with good weather and he runs 4-5 minutes faster for a debut marathon
The weather in NYC this year was far better than in Chicago. Not even debatable. Chicago is a faster course, but no way Ritz runs 5 minutes faster there. 60 seconds max, if at all.
Put him going out faster on a better day and faster course he will be that much further ahead when/if he starts to fade ...that's why I said you need to compare apples to apples, Mr. Connection. Your argument doesn't have much validity to it. Ask 1000 runners if you give them the same distance but a much easier course and better weather I'm sure you will get ....better times. Maye you should change your name from MI Connection to MI not Obvious.
Umass wrote:
Randy Thomas ran a 2:13 debut at NY, ?
2:11:26 at Boston 1977. Not sure if it was his debut. I remember Virgins 2:14 in 1979 or 80 being the best American debut at one point.
Whoever said he would run 2:18 at chicago is crazy. Kyle O'brien, who is a great runner and made amazing improvement from college, ran 2:15 at chicago. Kyle is an amazing runner, but he is no Dathan Ritzenhein. Ritz would have run faster than 2:14 at Chicago..my guess is 2:11. He chose to run NY and that is noone's fault but his own. But to say 2:18...he must have slept with your girlfriend or something for you to say something like that! The fact of the matter is 2:14 at ny for a 23 year old that is injury prone is pretty amazing. If he can stay major injury free, at age 28 when he starts to peak, 2:06 is possible at london or chicago. He is the real deal
ritz fann wrote:
Kyle is an amazing runner, but he is no Dathan Ritzenhein.
Would you say that Kyle O'brien is no Jason Hartmann as well? The reason I ask is because Kyle beat him.
Greg Meyer was only 25 years old when he ran his debut in Detroit Marathon at 2:13:07
'80 Greg Meyer, 2:13:07