Which is worse... NJ or Detroit????

Michigander wrote:

I didn't go to school in state. And Michigan colleges rank very well. U of M is one of the finest state schools in the country. Yes, it's not Princeton, but for one-third the price (for an in-stater), the value is tremendously higher.

Also, Oakland County is consistently one of the 5 richest counties in the country, so do your own research. And this is not adjusted for cost of living.

If you don't like the examples I provided, which I said weren't exhaustive, think of your own characteristics of what makes an area better. I'd be willing to bet that any set of reasonable, objective criteria will show Michigan the superior state to live in.

what does the ocean look like?

oh i forgot you're landlocked.

at least you have chicago to make you feel somewhat involved with whats going on.

Michigander wrote:

Lake Michigan's sand dune beaches destroy the grainy guido ridden Jersey shore.

Michigan's passion and loyalty for its sports teams destroy the adopted nature of Philly sports fans.

Your first statement isn't true at all. Everyone I know from Jersey vacations at the shore. Visit Stone Harbor, Avalon, Cape May, and Northern LBI. Extremely nice areas.

and how can you say Michigan's passion for its sports could destroy Philly's? Ever been to an Eagles game?

Michigander wrote: I'd be willing to bet that any set of reasonable, objective criteria will show Michigan the superior state to live in.

Nothing against Michigan - if I were sentenced to five years in the Midwest but with my choice of confinement locations, somewhere in MI would be a strong contender.

In general, though, "reasonable objective criteria" are great for deciding which lawnmower to buy but pretty uninspiring and unconvincing and, well, lame when given as a reason to live somewhere. Pointing to "objective criteria" or lists of "most liveable" or "smartest places to live" usually smacks of desperation to justify some third-choice compromise.

Pendejo, posting from Brooklyn, ranked among American's least livable and dumbest places to live

man, this is a battle that could go on and on.

lets look at it really objectively:

NBA:

detroit: pistons

n.j: nets

comment: detroit has 3 NBA titles, NJ has been decent only since jason kidd arrived.

advantage: detroit

NFL:

detroit: lions

nj: jets/giants

comment: while the giants and jets play in nj, they still call themselves new york teams. while this is probably one of the greatest insults ever, detroit has the lions.

advantage: new jersey

Baseball:

detroit: tigres

n.j.: a half dozen minor league teams

comment: up until this year, the tigers were playing minor league ball in the majors. while you saw minor league ball in jersey, you didn't go expecting to see major league ball. and 6 teams give you more choices than 1. but le tigres are playing well this year...

advantage: push

NHL:

detroit: red wings

n.j.: devils

comment: both teams have been very, very good in the past 15 years. both have 3 stanley cups. both are not playing right now. however, detroit is "hockeytown, u.s.a" and the devils had their stanley cup parade in the meadowlands parking lot.

advantage: detroit

Colleges:

detroit: wayne state, university of detroit-mercy

nj: rutgers, princeton, trenton, rowan, and a whole host of other crappy schools.

comment: i guess you can count UM for detroit since it is so close, but that's like counting the yankees for n.j. detroit-mercy gets a nod because they used to play some mean basketall (with t-shirts that said: university of detroit...NO MERCY!) and because they had a bad-ass fencing team back in the 70s. wayne state is the older brother of kevin arnold state. but n.j. has princeton (who is currently good at fencing) and filled with a bunch of douchebags who have "eating clubs" instead of fraternities - can you get any more blue nose? while princeton had guys like einstein there in the 50s, they have recently produced guys like "stuff happens rumsfeld." oh yeah, rutgers sucks.

advantage: you lose if you go to school in jersey or detroit.

running scene:

detroit: hansons

n.j.: shore a.c.

comment: nj has one of the best road racing scenes around. while hansons isn't in detroit proper, they do have guys run the big races. n.j. college track teams are pretty good (not great), and n.j. h.s. track produces a fair amount of studs for a state that small. i guess it comes down to this: if you were going to do a run, where would you rather run? jersey or detroit?

advantage: jersey (no one runs in detroit.)

looks like we're all tied up. i'll give the nod to detroit because they can say they're across the bridge from canada. normally, jersey would say, "we're across the bridge from new york" and that would be fine. but jersey is also across the bridge from philly, which is the dirtiest city in america (edging out wheeling, WV, jackson MS, and baltimore.)

winner: detroit.

You don't want to be in Detroit the night the Pistons win a title though, unless you like burning cars.

Why do the Michigan backers keep pointing out the quality of their basketball, football, baseball, and hockey teams at both the professional and college levels? It is as if that is the only factor they consider when deciding where one should live.

Sure it can be fun to follow a local team, but shouldn't there be a lot more to life? Maybe not in Michigan...

So we in Detroit still have the black eye from 1984??

IF my memory serves me correctly there were no "riots" in Detroit when the Pistons and the Wings won their titles.

So put 1984 to rest, and Devils night is dead as well.

So what say you now Letsrun shop these 2 places?

Haha. You don't typically hear "landlocked" and "Michigan" in the same conversation. Far more shoreline than any state except for Alaska, and beautiful shoreline at that. Second most registered boats than any other state aside from Florida, which has the advantage of beautiful weather all year round. Detroit is just a small piece of Michigan nowadays, which is a good thing.

also from jersey wrote:

what does the ocean look like?

oh i forgot you're landlocked.

at least you have chicago to make you feel somewhat involved with whats going on.

not that it matters... wrote:

Check out the Basking Ridge, New Vernon, Bedminster areas of NJ and then come back here and tell me how it compares to Detroit.

Awesome places. Most on this site couldn't afford to live in any of those towns, except maybe a 350k condo in the Hills

You from that area?

Michigander wrote:

Also, Oakland County is consistently one of the 5 richest counties in the country, so do your own research. And this is not adjusted for cost of living.

No!!! Don't attract the feral yuppie hordes to Oakland County!!!

Detroit is financially bankrupt. NJ is only morally bankrupt.

So today we are comparing and contrasting turds?

Alpine and Detroit are very similar

Rumson NJ is an abolute hell hole that makes detroit look like disneyland. The mainstream media completely ignores the situation. Chris Christie needs to send in the national guard to restore order YESTERDAY. sick of this noise.

how could I forget Rumson. The looks I got when I drove my banged up 97 toyota, I was never so scared.