Middle schoolers who protested trans athlete in girls shotput competition banned from next competition. lawsuit filed

Have you ever taken a college-level statistics course? By definition, it is impossible to prove there is no difference between two groups of population. It is easy to show that a null hypothesis was not rejected between two samples. (A recent "study" in British Journal of Sports Medicine did just that.) It "proves" absolutely nothing. The BJSM article is so methodologically flawed I have no idea why it was not rejected by a reviewer.

If you think otherwise, tell us an example of study that could prove the absence of difference between two groups. What are the samples and what are the research design to achieve that goal?

Both CAS and US Federal Court acknowledge that such a study is impossible to conduct. That's why they both argue that any uncertainty should be decided in favor of the athletes. That means the current policy should continue unless one of the two following things happen.

1. Trans athletes get overrepresented in the women's sports to crowd out cis women. This is what the Federal Court called the "substantial displacement" standard. And it is cited in BPJ v. West Virginia decision. So if the ratio of trans women to cis women is 1:200, any representation that significantly exceeds this ratio will be considered "substantial."

2. A trans women produces performance that cis women cannot realistically match. If a trans women runs 3:45 1500m, it is an immediate red flag even if it is just one person.

If we compare Chand v. IAAF and Semenya v. IAAF, the difference is clear. Chand was not a threat to other women because she was not fast enough, and she was the only DSD person in her event. Semenya was much faster, and there are also two other DSD runners in the same event. So both in the performance level and the number of athletes, they posed a significantly greater risk.

BPJ throwing 33 ft shot is not a threat to other girls. If she throws 43ft, it could be different. Or if there are multiple national level shot putters who are trans, that could also be different. Neither has happened yet.

Nope. Sorry. That transwoman swimming in the NCAA had a serious advantage. If you take a young boy who has yet to hit puberty and physically or chemically castrate him, then maybe, but that's such a small percentage of what would ever been done, and I'm not for doing that for a person so young anyway.

It's not anti-trans in this case. It's just what is right and fair.

Here is why the sports issue cannot be separated from the rest of trans issues: the rightwing cultural warrior would not let us do that.

The number of trans girls who compete in middle school and high school sports is extremely small. Most of them are not even good at their sports, and they also other hobbies which could be more important to them. So if they are banned from school sports, very, very few kids will be negatively affected.

So why can't trans people just concede that one issue? If they do that, then the anti-trans activists can devote more resources to other issues that are more important to trans kids, like gender-affirming care. So in order to divert the rightwing cultural warriors efforts away from the health care issue, they need to keep fighting the sports ban.

And if they concede the issue of gender-affirming care for minors, then the next target will be gender-affirming care for adults. (This is already happening in some states.) Soon you will be arrested and imprisoned for having medically transitioned, and be forced to go through detransition procedure inside the prison.

And if you think this will end with trans people, you are wrong. Once they "take care of" trans people, they will target LGB people.

time.com

Inside the Right-Wing Movement to Ban Trans Youth From Sports

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Trans athletes—particularly trans girls—are now directly in the crosshairs of America’s raging culture wars.

Link:time.com/6176799/trans-sports-bans-con...

I'm not talking about this specific kid. Down the line...in college, in a pro meet, really anywhere though. Besides, just an example. There is a greater likelihood that a person born male will be much stronger and bigger than women competed against even when taking drugs/hormones to try to suppress that. Contact sports, sports that aren't supposed to be but ofter are (soccer, lacrosse). It's not safe for sure ultimately, but behyond that it isn't right or fair. Use a woman's bathroom, wear women's clothes, have all the legal protections in the world, but competitive sports is ridiculous.

No democrat considers transgender athlete participation to be a voting issue. For you, is it more important than abortion rights, the U.S. role in the Ukraine/Russia war, the deportation of 20 million illegal immigrants, the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the southern border, and the economy? If Biden took a hardline position against transgender athletes, would there be a big swing in votes from Trump to Biden?

Lia Thomas did not start medical transition until 19. That's entirely different from BPJ who started at 11. Thomas went through the entire process of male puberty. BPJ had none.

And if you not for allowing gender-affirming care for minors, are you also against abortion rights for minors? Should an 11 yr old rape victim be forced to give birth because she is "too young" to make such an important decision?

Meh. Maybe not yet. Do you ever draw a line? What if a guy grows to be 7 feet tall and then becomes a transwoman and wants to play NCAA basketball? Can't undo being 7 feet tall. We shouldn't have to draw a line due to something like that. Women and girls deserve to have a fair and level playing field. Allowing biological males to compete against this isn't right or fair.

College and pro meets have their own rules. Pro meets, sanctioned by World Athletics, would not allow any trans athlete who experienced male puberty. If USTAF does not enforce that on their domestic meets, that's their problem.

In the hopes this will prevent JAHJ from trying fill this thread with photos and info about people with rare DSDs that have nothing to do with healthy males born with all the nomal male parts properly developed and in good working order but who have adopted a trans identity like Becky Pepper Jackson has, I'm gonna jump in and say the situation is not quite as simple as you put it.

What makes someone develop as male is not the Y chromosome itself but the SRY gene that's usually on the Y chromosome. Nearly everyone with a Y chromosome has the SRY gene and thus is male.

But every once in a while, the Y chromsome in an XY human will be missing the SRY gene. Those individuals end up as XY females.

Conversely, every once in a while, an SRY gene ends up on an X chromosome in a human who only has X chromosomes. These individuals become XX males.

There are also some rare cases of individuals with female sex chromosomes in some of their cells, and male sex chromosomes in others. This is called mosaicism.Patterns include 46, XX/XY; 46,XY/47,XXY; and 46, XY/45 X.

In the 1990s when the IOC and the IAAF still did mandatory cheek swab DNA sex testing of all elite athletes seeking to compete in women's sports at the Olympics and other world-class contests, the tests that were used looked for the presence or absence of the SRY gene on the sex chromosomes rather than just checking to see if the sex chromomes themselves were X chromosomes only or there was also a Y.

Nah...you're flat wrong there...and WEIRD beyond belief. You think there are parents out there doing who knows what to a child so that that child is transgender, and then on top of that you think they do it for and GET social clout?

Insanity, brother. Go talk to someone.

A 11 yr shouldn't be allowed to abort her child, because the unborn baby is a human being with his/her own human rights to life, not because the child mother is too young to make the choice to murder her baby. Moreover, that baby is likely evidence of pedophilia and/or incest, and the Democrats want that baby quietly murdered in a way that won't bring criminal investigation.

It needs to be done...rules against this need to happen from cradle to grave.

Have you seriously never heard of what used to be called Munchausen Syndrome by proxy? That's when a caretaker deliberately harms somebody in their care so that they can get attention for being a loving and devoted caretaker (usually mother).

It's unlikely that most trans-identified children have a Munchausen parent (some almost certainly do), but it's also true that the rates of tran-identfication have skyrocketed in the past decade. It's a culture-bound syndrome created by a cultish mindset. It's likely that most of these kids are either gender-noncomforming and atypical in personality/interests for their sex, suffering from various forms of mental illness, or have the beginnings of a personality disorder (and/or have a parent with a personality disorder).

There are ultra-liberal celebrities with 3 trans kids.

Do you believe this 9-billion-to-1 coincidence is genuine or that maybe they reflect the narcissism of their parents?

Lmao. This is the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Illogical and embarrassing for you, but hilarious “example”.

Let me share an interesting story about "gender-nonconforming kids."

Harry Stone was a gender-nonconforming boy who could not fit into other boys because his interests were different from theirs. But he was able to figure out his own identity, thanks to his very supportive parents. He has found his creative talent early in life, and he is now pursuing a career in film industry.

Harry has a fraternal twin called Georgie. Georgie was not always known by that name because she was assigned male at birth. But she always knew she was a girl, and she started living as a girl at an early age with total support from her parents. She has found her career in acting, as one of the co-stars of popular TV series "Neighbors."

What's the point of this story? Their parents knew from very early stage that Harry was "gender-nonconforming." They also knew what Georgie was experiencing was categorically different. They are so lucky to have such loving, supportive parents.

Stop with the forced teaming!

Plenty of the girls and women who don't want males using gender identity claims to horn in on female sports and spaces are lesbians and bisexual.

Chances are good that one of the five middle-school shot put athletes in WV who participated in the protest against the court decision in the Becky Pepper Jackson case will grow up to be lesbian or bisexual.

Plenty of gay men are against the way the T is being used to dismantle the hard-won rights of women and girls, and to redefine same-sex attraction as same-gender attraction.

Plenty of LGB people resent the authoritarian way that gender identity idelogues have decided to force the unwanted labels "cis" and "cisgender" onto the general population.

Plenty of LGB people hate that the male Ts and their misogynistic allies are telling girls and women that female human beings are no longer to be recognized as a distinct sex class that by definition does not include any males.

Plenty of LGB people are mighty pissed off that the male supremacist "trans rights" lobby has decided that women and girls (the female kind) should no longer be allowed to have any words, sports, spaces or sevices just for us from which all males are excluded simply coz they are male.

Plenty of LGB people are offended and angered by the way that gender identity ideologues demean girls and women by inventing and calling us dehumanzing newfangled names - such as menstruators, bleeders, uterus havers, cervix owners, birthing people, birthing bodies, bodies with vaginas, milk producers and non-men.

Plenty of LGB people are appalled at the way that "gynephilic" aka heterosexual or bisexual trans-identified males denigrate, perv on and prey on lesbians specifically, demanding that exclusively same-sex attracted women date and bed them - and calling lesbians bigots and "genital fetishists" for not being willing to date so-called "transwomen" and not doing so-called "girl dick."

Pleny of LGB people think that transgenderism is homphobic at heart.

The data released so far about the recipients of "youth gender medicine" to date in the UK, the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries show that nearly all the children and adolescents subjected to the Dutch protocol of "gender affirming care" that you promote - meaning "puberty blockers" followed by cross-sex hormones and surgeries - were or grew up to be same-sex attracted.

In other words, the kids who've been and still are being sterilized and robbed of their ability to have normal sexual function by the so-called "Dutch protocol" that you shill for are kids who would have grown up to be lesbian women, gay men or bisexuals if only they'd been allowed to develop without their healthy bodies being medically interfered with.

Many LGB people believe that the medical abuses being done to poor kids like Becky Pepper Jackson that you call "gender affirming care" actually amount to "transing away the gay."

We HAVE to be complicit in this nonsense, because the right is made up of medieval religionists and wannabe dictators. If there were a non-fascist Republican running this year, I would probably vote for them, but there isn't, so I will have to put up with boys in girls' sports.

biden & the democratic party colluded with intelligence & public health agencies, as well as the media, to deliberately deceive the public on several key topics in recent years (russiagate, covid, hunter biden's laptop etc)..

whereas trump is a lone wolf ~universally opposed by these agencies & the media..

the leap of logic it takes to think TRUMP is the fascist here, instead of the actual fascists with mounds of proof of them doing fascism repeatedly, is wild to me. you're a brainwashed cult victim sorry bro