For a high school male, basically impossible. If you can run 8:40 in the 3200, then sure. It'd be nearly impossible for an elite female (more endurance focused anyway and more lifetime training) so even less likely for a HS male.
The slowest 400 person I know who broke 2 - admittedly by running 1:55 the first time under - had a 53. I think 54.5-55 is the absolute minimum. And he ran a <9:10 (converted from 3200) full 2 mile
Yes it definitely I I split like 55s for 4x4s and did a tt post season runnung 1 59 by myself couldve been faster but wasn't running with anyone. My 400 prolly could have been faster at the time tho.
It's possible to improve 400m personal best by over ten seconds from (12 to 14) years old to (22 to 24) years old if you don't commit to being a long distance runner. If you're young, worry about improving 200m & 400m performances.
I've seen a 56 guy run a sub 2. He was all pumped up gunning for it, even had a friend set the pace for him. You have to be psyched up and borrow the berserk power of the gods for a couple minutes. I don't think he ever broke 2 again
For a high school male, basically impossible. If you can run 8:40 in the 3200, then sure. It'd be nearly impossible for an elite female (more endurance focused anyway and more lifetime training) so even less likely for a HS male.
The slowest 400 person I know who broke 2 - admittedly by running 1:55 the first time under - had a 53. I think 54.5-55 is the absolute minimum. And he ran a <9:10 (converted from 3200) full 2 mile
I also helps a ton if your 400m is underdeveloped. The distance dude who hasn’t run anything sub 200m in 6 months is a lot different than the kid who does 40ms, 8s hill sprints, and plyos 2x week..
Yes, it's possible for some people, real slow-twitchers with lots of endurance. We don't know enough about you to know if you're one of them but chances are you're not.
It's possible in theory, but very unlikely in reality.
As a general rule, add 5 seconds to your 400 PR and then double it, and that's the fastest 800 you can run. So 56 plus 5 is 61, and double that is 2:02.
The only runner I've heard of who has been able to get around that rule in the 400 and 800 is Elizabeth Leachman, who ran 2:09.90 while having a PR in the 400 of only 62.37.
But she is also the national record holder in the 5k and the 3200, so her incredible long distance ability allows her to run a good 800 without having any 400 speed.
But for people who aren't one of the top 3200/5k runners in the country, running sub 2 in the 800 while only being able to run a 400 in 56 is unlikely.
Yes. Splits of 59.5 - 60 are possible for slow twitch guys who run 3200 at 9:00.
This basically describes me a few decades ago (pre-super spikes of course). The only open 400 I ever ran was 56.4. Maybe, just maybe, I could have gone 55-high with a few more tries at it. But I ran sub-9:10 in the 3200, and ran 1:59-low in an open 800 and led-off a 4 x 800 with a hand-timed 1:58-mid. I would run about 59 first 400 then hold on.
A season in which I ran 1:59 in my only 800 race, I never ran faster than 56.x for a 400 (flying start) in training. That said, I suck at workouts and am a much better racer, as my 800 splits were 55-64 (lol). So in an open 400 race, I think I could've ran 54 or better. I had also done a workout of 3x400 with 5min rest as a 800m predictor 1 week out from that race, and it held pretty true as I averaged just under 60s for that workout. Also ran 4:19 and 15:24 for 1600/road 5K that season.
A season in which I ran 1:59 in my only 800 race, I never ran faster than 56.x for a 400 (flying start) in training. That said, I suck at workouts and am a much better racer, as my 800 splits were 55-64 (lol). So in an open 400 race, I think I could've ran 54 or better. I had also done a workout of 3x400 with 5min rest as a 800m predictor 1 week out from that race, and it held pretty true as I averaged just under 60s for that workout. Also ran 4:19 and 15:24 for 1600/road 5K that season.
It’s from an all out 400 after a light workout beforehand. So not 100% fresh but it was a hard effort. That being said I doubt I could go under 55 even in a race. I ran 59 58 for the 1:57.
It's possible in theory, but very unlikely in reality.
As a general rule, add 5 seconds to your 400 PR and then double it, and that's the fastest 800 you can run. So 56 plus 5 is 61, and double that is 2:02.
The only runner I've heard of who has been able to get around that rule in the 400 and 800 is Elizabeth Leachman, who ran 2:09.90 while having a PR in the 400 of only 62.37.
But she is also the national record holder in the 5k and the 3200, so her incredible long distance ability allows her to run a good 800 without having any 400 speed.
But for people who aren't one of the top 3200/5k runners in the country, running sub 2 in the 800 while only being able to run a 400 in 56 is unlikely.
As he said, he wasn’t referring to a female 3200-5000 runner.
It’s possible but you’d need to be national class 3000m-5000m. If you haven’t broken 9:00 in the 3200m you need to start doing more top end speed work to get it down to more like 53-54