At my fittest I would've had the 600/800/1k/1500/mile/5k
My 3k PR was 8:09 and I never ran a track 10k but idk if I could've run 29 minutes honestly.
I definitely couldn't have come remotely close to the 400 and obviously not the short sprints.
I wasn't elite by any means, but that would be some range. I think someone like Clayton Murphy at his prime would be able to handle most of these as he was a great XC runner in HS but the sprint speed required really skews things in the wrong direction for the longer events. I can't think of anyone who could run 47 seconds that could also run 29 minutes for 10k
Several current middle distance runners (Kerr, Wightman, cheriyot, ingebrigtsen) could go 47 and 29:00
normal woman are slow and weak, compared to men. You can’t take woman obviously on steroids and setup a probability like that- it’s not possible. Woman are running 2800 flat in the 10k soon. They are running 4:07 miles and 2:11 marathons- you should’ve just made it go to a marathon while you’re at such a stupid idea
Most 800 runners wouldn't crack 10.5. The only one I think who could was Juantorena, who had a pb of 20.7 for the 200. 10.5 or below is the realm of a sprinter, not an md runner. If a md runner could beat 10.5 they could run 44 for the 400 (as Juantorena got close to.) But most guys that fast can't put two decent laps together. Being a sprinter and an md runner doesn't mix.
10.5 is hot garbage compared to pro sprinters. Look at prime Donovan Brazier hauling ass in a 4x400 leg then tell me he couldnt mix it up in the D3 National Prelims with a little focused training.
His hauling ass was a high 45s if memory serves. For an endurance based guy that doesn’t scream sub 10.5. It isn’t about being fast for a pro sprinter. It isn’t. It is being fast for a guy who also has to run sub 29:00. It is like saying 4:00 isn’t fast for a pro miler. It true. Doesn’t mean bolt is going to be within 30s of it.
middle/distance guys are fast compared to normal people. But 10.5 is getting fast in an absolute sense. Look at how few HS kids break it despite spending 4 years sprinting.
Nijel Amos and Korir come to mind, we know they can both run the 400-1500 records, but the 100/200/5k/10k records are definitely in question.
I mean Korir and Amos both run sub 45, I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't be able to run at least a high 20.xx 200M on a good day and with good block training.
Korir runs 44.21, so he can AT LEAST run 20.7xx. There's no way you can run 44 low and not be able to crack 21
Why is anyone talking about the 400 at all? For anyone to seriously undertake this, the 400 has to be easy. Otherwise, there is no possible way you are also running 10.49 and 29:01.
I mean Korir and Amos both run sub 45, I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't be able to run at least a high 20.xx 200M on a good day and with good block training.
Korir runs 44.21, so he can AT LEAST run 20.7xx. There's no way you can run 44 low and not be able to crack 21
Why is anyone talking about the 400 at all? For anyone to seriously undertake this, the 400 has to be easy. Otherwise, there is no possible way you are also running 10.49 and 29:01.
1) Only an elite male 800m athlete will be capable of f.a.t. 10.48 100m and 29-flat 10000m in the same day.
2) About 1/3 of elite 800m athletes will race 400m while in or near peak 800m condition.
3) Some of us have been around track & field enough to make a decent conversion. I am confident a male 400m sprinter, capable of 46.0x 400m will be able to sprint 10.48 100m. Most elite 800m men will not sprint 100m while in or near peak 800m condition. The best we can do is convert 400m time to 100m time.
Yeah i reckon a speedy world class 800m runner could do both
Someone like rudisha or korir who have/had the speed could get the 10k with a change in emphasis
I think people are seriously underestimating/not getting how fast a 29:01 10k is and how different the energy systems are between a 10.4 100 and said 29:01 10k. I really doubt you'd find ANYONE who could do this. 29:01 is a slow time of course for any athlete with real distance talent, but to think you're going to find someone who can run 10.4 and ALSO 29:01, regardless of how you train them is, just my opinion, silly.
3) Some of us have been around track & field enough to make a decent conversion. I am confident a male 400m sprinter, capable of 46.0x 400m will be able to sprint 10.48 100m. Most elite 800m men will not sprint 100m while in or near peak 800m condition. The best we can do is convert 400m time to 100m time.
I am not. I have seen sprinters (not 800m guys) do 10.7, just under 21.5, and 45.9. I expect most 800m+ guys are more likely to be that than the 10.4/21/46 guy that is a lot more common.
I sort of think this is theorically possible. Get some kid to train til they are say 20 to bang out the 100-800 and then switch it up and go all in on distance. They will lose a lot of that power. Think guys like Webb, Ovett and the like who ran sub 48s while doing distance training. Or fricken Coe except he never ran that 5k so we are left guessing off a couple of xc races.
Reality though is nobody is going to do that. Kid will get moved up to the 400/800 almost instantly😂
Most 800 runners wouldn't crack 10.5. The only one I think who could was Juantorena, who had a pb of 20.7 for the 200. 10.5 or below is the realm of a sprinter, not an md runner. If a md runner could beat 10.5 they could run 44 for the 400 (as Juantorena got close to.) But most guys that fast can't put two decent laps together. Being a sprinter and an md runner doesn't mix.
10.5 is hot garbage compared to pro sprinters. Look at prime Donovan Brazier hauling ass in a 4x400 leg then tell me he couldnt mix it up in the D3 National Prelims with a little focused training.
The comparison you're making is with championship level sprinters, of whom there are about 20 on the planet. But 10.5 requires sprinter capacity and is completely out of the range of md and distance runners. Mo Farah was pretty quick and could finish the last lap of a 10k race in the low 50's. He could barely break 12s for the 100.
If Brazier could beat 10.5 he would have been able to go under 21s for the 200. No chance.
at a WR level i don't think it exists. your usain bolt could run the sprints faster but couldn't do the distance end at even a competitive D3 level. i think the quickest distance runners would have more range down to about 400 but at best reach average pro women's level short sprint times, eg 11s 100m, not the WR level which takes some chops and a half second lower.
maybe you could chase it with elite decathletes with built in versatility who just haven't competed long, or if you took a special fast 10k type and said, we're training on nothing but sprints now. the latter could latently do your distance times and then could maybe be trained into college level sprint times that are the women's WRs.
Ashton Eaton
He's "done" at any distance over 400.
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At my fittest I would've had the 600/800/1k/1500/mile/5k
My 3k PR was 8:09 and I never ran a track 10k but idk if I could've run 29 minutes honestly.
I definitely couldn't have come remotely close to the 400 and obviously not the short sprints.
I wasn't elite by any means, but that would be some range. I think someone like Clayton Murphy at his prime would be able to handle most of these as he was a great XC runner in HS but the sprint speed required really skews things in the wrong direction for the longer events. I can't think of anyone who could run 47 seconds that could also run 29 minutes for 10k
Several current middle distance runners (Kerr, Wightman, cheriyot, ingebrigtsen) could go 47 and 29:00
None of them could go 47. Ingebrigtsen would struggle to go below 50.
You show that it's definitely possible from the 800 up with an endurance-based athlete. But the 400 is the cut-off point because anyone who can run 47 is not a distance athlete. (Ovett is said to have gone under 48 in his early years but he is about the only runner I can think of who could also likely go under 29:00 for the 10k.)
As for 10.5, you're basically looking at an athlete like Jeremy Warriner.