D1 Distance Athletic Scholarships - what are we talking?

Look at TFRRS for the conference. Each potential pays 10%. 10 points is full. B10 mile 3:52 full and 4:01 10%. 13:24 full and 13:59 10%. Too many idiots just can't do math. They assume that a 4:10 high school kid gets money. But if he does, a 4:00 kid isn't and that wouldn't go over well.

thanks thats similar to what I'm hearing on the HS board: If you go to a P5 school, even as an outstanding freshman, you're likely not scoring in conf and therefore probably on the very low end of scholarship $.. until you're able to score at conf. Probably why I see some of the better runners in my area going to smaller to mid major D1 schools. more chance to make an impact = more $

Yes. Even at that rate, there are always injuries and academic ineligibility and strategic redshirt which means scholarshipn athletes are not scoring. Look at all of the great high school runners last year. Nearly.none will score this year. Yet the crowd here assumes that they deserve full rides. A team would fail if it is using very much of its 12.6 on nonscoring members.

Go where you and your team can actually compete, whether that’s mid-major D1, D2, D3, NAIA, etc.

I can promise you it’s way more enjoyable being the #3 guy on a D2 team competing for a national title than being the 12th man for a recognizable P5 team hoping for a top 5 finish at their conference event.

I know you’re in highschool right now and it’s “cool” to go D1, but I can promise you in a few years you won’t care.

The best runner on my HS team (9:10 2-mile guy) went to a crappy P5 D1 school, simply because it was D1. I was a 9:57 guy in highschool and went to a NAIA program. Our two teams raced at an invite during my Junior year of college and we mopped the floor against them.

Agree with this. I turned down a major P5 program scholarship because it was not a full athletic scholarship and took a full athletic at a mid-major. After my sophomore year, never lost to a single guy on that team and when they didn't go to XC Nationals, I got to go twice.

You may have run faster, but I bet at the other school they got more apparel, the hotels were nicer, they had a trainer with them at practice every day, etc.

And they have a real football and basketball team who they follow the rest of their lives. People want to push their own preferences onto others. Many are very happy to be part of a real D1 program.

Oh 100%, but that’s a super short sighted mindset and not the reason you should go to a school.

My experience/memories from winning the NAIA national championship with my team and hoisting that trophy over my head is infinitely more valuable than any fancy hotels or duffel bags full of apparel.

“Real football and basketball”

Who cares. Once again not a reason to go to a school

”People want to push their own preferences onto others.”

OP literally made this thread to ask for peoples opinions/preferences

“Many are very happy to be part of a real D1 program.”

What makes it a “real” D1 program? There are tons of very happy people part of a “real” Juco program.

OP made this thread asking about scholarships. If that is his top priority, then it would be foolish to NOT mention other divisions.

Ys he is asking about D1 scholarships. You pushed your preference of running on a team where somebody gets to compete istead of being part of a Power 5 program. You guaranteed that people would be happier at your preferred type of program. But everyone has different thigns that make them happy. A real D1 program is one that has a long list of sports. A real JUCO is a real JUCO but what does that have to do with a real D1 program?

Glad NAIA worked out for you, but you seem to be ignoring the social aspect of college. Basically all NAIA schools were maybe 1/3rd of my HS's enrollment and religious.

I don't regret my decision to just study at a large BIG10 university instead of playing in front of less people and riding the bench the first 1-2 years at small school.

I won't even get into the academics/prestige/networking side between most NAIA and D1 programs.

"You guaranteed that people would be happier at your preferred type of program."

Yes, and if we're looking at this purely from a running/team perspective (which we are) I 100% stand by this. Removing all other variables, I guarantee a runner would be happier/enjoy the sport more when they are a scoring for their D2 team with a full ride scholarship while helping them compete at national meets, versus a runner who has a small scholarship at a mid/low tier P5 D1 school that doesn't score for the team and that team will never make it out of the conference meet.

I'm not saying you HAVE to go NAIA (I know they're small and mostly religious). I'm not saying you HAVE to go D2 or D3 to enjoy the sport. If attending a big D1 school with popular sports programs is super important to you, then that's great. All I'm saying is there are other options out there that offer more scholarship money and more chances of running success, while still providing all the amenities you would get at a mid-level D1 school.

You better not be from Cumberlands, the team that has majority of its athletes from out of country and score all their points on race walk

Not sure about this.. majority of D2 guys enter transfer portal in final years to try and run D1. I've had so many athletes tell me they want to enter the portal to run their last year D1 because there is a legit insecurity complex with D2 guys that are good that weren't able to run D1. I've been recruiting these types for years because they are good as the NAIA guy is saying, they have a chip on their shoulder and want to prove something.

You still seem to think that what makes you happy also makes others happy. Most people would get no joy out of running at an NAIA or D2 school. That is why they choose D1 or D3 schools. You said that you are only talking about the running aspect but then add in the scholarship which is not relevant. Throwing that factor in, what if a kid could have gone to an Ivy for free even though they were the last guy ont he team? Or what if their parents paid for any school of theor choosing? Most of us have no respect for NAIA and D2 schools due to the poor academics so we would not ahve enjoyed running with a bunch of people who got 19 on their ACTs. I enjoyed the intellectual discussions that I ahd on training runs.

Sounds like you scored just enough to enlist into the marines buddy

I actually think this proves my point further. D2 guys enter the transfer portal in their final years because they started out at a good D2 program, developed and had success, gained some visibility, and are now ready to make the jump to D1 (with probably a nice athletic and transfer scholarship too).

Would these runners have reached the same level of success if they had instead started at a low-tier D1 school? Some of them sure, but definitely not all.

Keep moving the goalposts. Now they improved more so they can move to a better program? Before it ws that you guaranteed they would enjoy it more being on a D2 team. But now you say they really don't enjoy it more because they jump as soon as they get the chance. That is the real deal. People only go D2 because they weren't able to go D1. They see the better travel and facilites and doctors and trainers and gear. They are jealous all through college. Most are bitter 20 years later. But then there are a few like you who convince yourself that the experience was better than D1. TAlk to some of your buddies now who ran D1 and they will still look down on you for being a D2 guy.