I think there is about zero chance of another school having 4 guys in the top 10 of a national XC meet. Now we can debate how much of a national meet running lane was. But how many schools go something like 1-4,7 at their state meet?
Youngs and Sahlmans might only be at the top of the talent we see every year versus generation but when you 4th runs a 8:02 3k indoors as a one off, you are talking about about some really top end talent depth. Maybe they would have only been 9:00 kids at less demanding schools but who knows.
>>Now we can debate how much of a national meet running lane was.
As I recall, the top 9 teams in the country were there. There were some individuals missing, but every year loses some to injury, and then the NXN/Footlocker split. What's there to debate? It was arguably as strong as any NXN field has been in terms of top teams/runners of that year actually being there.
So less than half the normal nxn field. It is vastly different than the nxn fields when Nike pays everyone to show up. We can also debate the absurd course. Maybe in a normal year they only go 1, 5,6,10…
None of this should take away the absurdity of debating if one school could have beaten the rest of the nation in a dual meet. Or even just 2 monster schools
His 8:38 is so impressive because its so much of a standout performance. But youre bonkers if you think he had any chance of beating Aaron in XC.
11th grade nationals---
Aaron: 6th place
Jaster: 73rd
12 grade nationals:
Aaron: 1st place
Jaster: 70th
I really like Jaster too! Think he's a great kid. But youre doing a disservise to the impressivness of his race at Arcadia by pretending hes always been this good.
Timo seems pretty wise to me. I actually had the chance to talk to him once, when I was young(er) and dumb(er). He was very polite and friendly. I thought about joining the lds church after.
>>Now we can debate how much of a national meet running lane was.
As I recall, the top 9 teams in the country were there. There were some individuals missing, but every year loses some to injury, and then the NXN/Footlocker split. What's there to debate? It was arguably as strong as any NXN field has been in terms of top teams/runners of that year actually being there.
So less than half the normal nxn field. It is vastly different than the nxn fields when Nike pays everyone to show up. We can also debate the absurd course. Maybe in a normal year they only go 1, 5,6,10…
None of this should take away the absurdity of debating if one school could have beaten the rest of the nation in a dual meet. Or even just 2 monster schools
>>So less than half the normal nxn field.
What are you talking about?? Have you no idea what RunningLane is like? None??
The top 9 teams were there, plus plenty of other top 50 teams, including some top 20.
Here's the results. You will see top to bottom the usual NXN suspects.
========================================= Boys Championship - Team Scores (updated) ========================================= 1 Newbury Park (SS) 29 14:14 Avg 2 Cheyenne Mountain 121 14:49 Avg 3 Jesuit Oregon 187 14:58 Avg 4 Union Catholic Reg. HS 281 15:02 Avg 5 Grapevine 284 15:12 Avg 6 Farmington 300 15:13 Avg 7 Great Oak (SS) 318 15:17 Avg 8 Niwot 334 15:08 Avg 9 Valor Christian 358 15:18 Avg 10 American Fork 375 15:18 Avg 11 Mountain Vista 376 15:19 Avg 12 Mountain View 386 15:17 Avg 13 Loyola (SS) 400 15:23 Avg 14 Brebeuf Jesuit Prep School 401 15:22 Avg 15 Corner Canyon 420 15:25 Avg 16 Jesuit New Orleans 431 15:25 Avg 17 Riverton 438 15:24 Avg 18 Severna Park 449 15:26 Avg 19 Rock Bridge 449 15:21 Avg 20 Lincoln HS 469 15:24 Avg 21 Southlake Carroll 485 15:29 Avg 22 Rocky Mountain 490 15:29 Avg 23 Hamilton Southeastern 538 15:34 Avg 24 Central Catholic 548 15:32 Avg 25 Millard West 549 15:33 Avg 26 LaSalle College 562 15:36 Avg 27 Columbus North 569 15:32 Avg 28 Weddington 570 15:35 Avg 29 The Woodlands 618 15:39 Avg 30 Sioux City North 634 15:56 Avg 31 Wayzata 642 15:41 Avg
You're a clown for not looking at the Arcadia results. These teams aren't even the same as they were during Cross Country. Simmons could beat Sahlman and the Youngs easy. Especially if the course was Runninglane. Ben Jaster was 5th at Arcadia and ran 8:38, he would be up there too. Evans ran 8:46. Steadman, Hofheins, Beckstrom, and Bradshaw all run under 9 as well. All these guys would be in front of Appleford as he never broke 9. This means that they would put a 6 and 7 in front of Newbury Park's 5. Don't think it wouldn't be close because it would.
Then you are a clown lover for not knowing Aaron Sahlman ran an 8:01 3000m the first time he ever ran the distance in high school. Or maybe ever. That's includes the 3200m. So that's about an 8:36 if you wanna bounce 3200m times around. I know he ran slower at Arcadia that spring, but that means he sucked at an 8:48 and in all honestly did not run smart or look like he even cared. And you need to do your research on Appleford's 8:52. Heck...he broke 9 in 11th grade. That year if Leo young did not get sick and is able to go a few seconds faster at Arcadia, NP has 5 break 9 in the same race. And don't forget
You're a clown for not looking at the Arcadia results. These teams aren't even the same as they were during Cross Country. Simmons could beat Sahlman and the Youngs easy. Especially if the course was Runninglane. Ben Jaster was 5th at Arcadia and ran 8:38, he would be up there too. Evans ran 8:46. Steadman, Hofheins, Beckstrom, and Bradshaw all run under 9 as well. All these guys would be in front of Appleford as he never broke 9. This means that they would put a 6 and 7 in front of Newbury Park's 5. Don't think it wouldn't be close because it would.
Then you are a clown lover for not knowing Aaron Sahlman ran an 8:01 3000m the first time he ever ran the distance in high school. Or maybe ever. That's includes the 3200m. So that's about an 8:36 if you wanna bounce 3200m times around. I know he ran slower at Arcadia that spring, but that means he sucked at an 8:48 and in all honestly did not run smart or look like he even cared. And you need to do your research on Appleford's 8:52. Heck...he broke 9 in 11th grade. That year if Leo young did not get sick and is able to go a few seconds faster at Arcadia, NP has 5 break 9 in the same race. And don't forget
(continued) Doshi ran 9:01 a few minutes before in the seeded race.