That's what they are saying. Sound Running can google Werner's PB just live everyone else. It's not Werner's fault she was given a task she isn't capable of completing. It's on Sound for agreeing to a sub 30 pace and then not providing a pacer capable to aiding in that effort.
She is a professional distance runner. She can't run at 2 miles what another lady runner is running for three times that distance?
You wouldn't ask a pro marathoner to pace an 800 field through 400, or an 800 meter runner to pace a 5k halfway through. Plenty of excellent runners can't match each others' best times
She is a professional distance runner. She can't run at 2 miles what another lady runner is running for three times that distance?
She's never broken 15 in a 5k and they need a sub 15 pace through 5k. How long do you expect her to run at faster than her PB pace?
This. & credit to her for knowing she couldn't handle the pace & getting out of the way. She's a good runner & doesn't deserve a lot of these comments. Idk what her arrangement was for this race. Maybe she was supposed to get to 5k but it's a little hard to say she should never pace again when she was maybe asked to PB as a pacer. Again, who knows what the agreement was but she didn't mess up the race.
I assume the pacers would get a free trip to San Juan Capistrano in March. I.e., airfare, hotel & food comp. then they get paid how much? like $1,000? I could be way off, but who wouldn't want a "free" trip (okay, they have to do a workout) to South Orange county in March? The climate is amazing! There's a cool public beach that I went to once in south orange co., but I forgot the name of it. It's on the ocean, obviously.
*I'm trying to advertise for Sound Running Co. so they get pacers for next year's event. (after this thread, I'm not sure...)
Seriously though, my respect for Hiltz has gone way up; I don't see how pacing the women's race was financially beneficial for her, after winning a silver medal at worlds, but it was a good deed.
Then why have her pacing to begin with? If she is not at that level, get someone who is!
That's what they are saying. Sound Running can google Werner's PB just live everyone else. It's not Werner's fault she was given a task she isn't capable of completing. It's on Sound for agreeing to a sub 30 pace and then not providing a pacer capable to aiding in that effort.
Anyone capable of pacing a sub 30 race probably wants to be in the race so that they can get the olympic standard. The problem is more the lack of depth for the women. For a men's race to run 27:00 pace there are dozens of American guys who can run and pace a 13:30, but there aren't dozens of American women who can run sub 15.
The puma coaching staff is shady. TUE’s and lead by Pascal himself. *hint - he was close with Shelby
Pascal Dobert was shady when he trained with the Kenyans back in the day and continued that shady behavior. And yes he was close with all the BTC that were TUE happy and that were shady including Shelby. Trusting Pascal is like trusting a politician. He breaths BS
BTC had 2 camps
1. Close to Jerry and put up with Pascal
2. Close to Pascal and dirty as hell.
Jerry was guilty of turning a blind eye to what everyone on the team knew. Some athletes had quiet relationships with Pascal. The Shelby situation created a lot of finger pointing but everyone was well aware of who provided Shelby with nando. Alistair was well aware of what Pascal was doing and was happy to bring him on at Puma. Now it is easier for Pascal to do what he wants with the blessing of Alistair.
Pascal Dobert was shady when he trained with the Kenyans back in the day and continued that shady behavior. And yes he was close with all the BTC that were TUE happy and that were shady including Shelby. Trusting Pascal is like trusting a politician. He breaths BS
BTC had 2 camps
1. Close to Jerry and put up with Pascal
2. Close to Pascal and dirty as hell.
Jerry was guilty of turning a blind eye to what everyone on the team knew. Some athletes had quiet relationships with Pascal. The Shelby situation created a lot of finger pointing but everyone was well aware of who provided Shelby with nando. Alistair was well aware of what Pascal was doing and was happy to bring him on at Puma. Now it is easier for Pascal to do what he wants with the blessing of Alistair.
This is 100% who Pascal is. The guy is a lurk to stays out of the spotlight on purpose and was shady with his athletes. Jerry was getting results and didn’t ask questions. I feel bad for anyone at Puma that has to deal with that guy.
In addition to slandering Pascal, whoever has a grudge against him and is posting this bullsheet, they have his position wrong. He works for Puma corporate in marketing. Check his LinkedIn if you don't know this already and move on to your next fake scandal.
OAC has two very capable women who should have paced this race for Monson. One Helen Obiri and one Josette Andrews. Next in line for at least a decent 3K should be Vissa, Cardenas Baez or even Hurta-Klecker.
Shows you the state of the women's program at OAC at the moment.
In addition to slandering Pascal, whoever has a grudge against him and is posting this bullsheet, they have his position wrong. He works for Puma corporate in marketing. Check his LinkedIn if you don't know this already and move on to your next fake scandal.
This must be Pascal himself, because if you ever heard Pascal speak you would realize how simpleminded he is.
Jerry was guilty of turning a blind eye to what everyone on the team knew. Some athletes had quiet relationships with Pascal. The Shelby situation created a lot of finger pointing but everyone was well aware of who provided Shelby with nando. Alistair was well aware of what Pascal was doing and was happy to bring him on at Puma. Now it is easier for Pascal to do what he wants with the blessing of Alistair.
This is 100% who Pascal is. The guy is a lurk to stays out of the spotlight on purpose and was shady with his athletes. Jerry was getting results and didn’t ask questions. I feel bad for anyone at Puma that has to deal with that guy.
Let’s say Pascal is a bad guy. Jerry gets no blame for being negligent if he didn’t how Pascal operated? *eye roll* If that’s how it worked, still Jerry’s fault did not knowing what’s going on in his own camp. Which I don’t believe anyway.
This is 100% who Pascal is. The guy is a lurk to stays out of the spotlight on purpose and was shady with his athletes. Jerry was getting results and didn’t ask questions. I feel bad for anyone at Puma that has to deal with that guy.
Let’s say Pascal is a bad guy. Jerry gets no blame for being negligent if he didn’t how Pascal operated? *eye roll* If that’s how it worked, still Jerry’s fault did not knowing what’s going on in his own camp. Which I don’t believe anyway.
And Shalane “TUE” Flanagan isn’t innocent either.
Somehow a thread about Taylor Werner being a slow pacer became about doping. Classic LR.
Let’s say Pascal is a bad guy. Jerry gets no blame for being negligent if he didn’t how Pascal operated? *eye roll* If that’s how it worked, still Jerry’s fault did not knowing what’s going on in his own camp. Which I don’t believe anyway.
And Shalane “TUE” Flanagan isn’t innocent either.
Somehow a thread about Taylor Werner being a slow pacer became about doping. Classic LR.
Because Alistair and Pascal are both scum. If you run for them then you are considered scum by association. Every thread that involves any Puma Elite athlete will carry this stigma.
Jerry was guilty of turning a blind eye to what everyone on the team knew. Some athletes had quiet relationships with Pascal. The Shelby situation created a lot of finger pointing but everyone was well aware of who provided Shelby with nando. Alistair was well aware of what Pascal was doing and was happy to bring him on at Puma. Now it is easier for Pascal to do what he wants with the blessing of Alistair.
This is 100% who Pascal is. The guy is a lurk to stays out of the spotlight on purpose and was shady with his athletes. Jerry was getting results and didn’t ask questions. I feel bad for anyone at Puma that has to deal with that guy.
Yeah, NC PUMA is looking shady AF; the past tells us the future. Desperate times call for desperate measures.